[ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE

[Simba]

Hardly, I have zero patience for BS, and it's my opinion that when the
first statement made in a post is incitement the rest of the post be
treated as junk.

Such as when Mr. Carver called my a Shill, or when Mr. Lightner blamed
me just now for starting a flame war.

What actually happened is I challenged two individuals for their claims
of mistreatment by a well-respected company not known for such things,
and only one of them sort-of supported their claims, and the other
immediately resorted to name-calling. And comparing my lack of patience
to Mr. Torvald's history of abusive behavior is hardly fair, by the way.

And furthermore, everyone is able to read the archive and judge for
themselves so there is zero need to regurgitate any of it. Unless one is
trying to re-ignite a fight. Which is a separate concern.

However, I agree Leam did nothing wrong posting his question. And I
believe he got some good answers.

Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
https://keybase.io/simbalion

"Why is a raven like a writing desk?"

On 12/19/18 2:04 PM, dev null zero two via Ale wrote:
> *whoosh*
> 
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Simba via Ale <ale at ale.org
> <mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
> 
>     You're targeting me and I don't appreciate it. The man called me a
>     shill. I didn't start the fire. And you're trying to throw fuel on it.
> 
>     Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
>     https://keybase.io/simbalion
> 
>     "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> 
>     On 12/19/18 2:02 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote:
>     > Leam, asking a technical question is the point of this list so you
>     have nothing for which to apologize.
>     >
>     > The fact that someone decided to attack both the people that
>     indicated they had had past problems with Digital Ocean isn't even
>     their fault.  It is purely that of the attacker - you don't get far
>     by calling people liars.   One of them did respond by calling him a
>     shill but that was a reaction to the attacks in my opinion.   I
>     started to respond in that thread but then realized I'd just be
>     adding fuel to the fire.   Long ago I learned the best way to deal
>     with trollish behavior is to ignore the trolls.   Such attacks
>     always make me suspect the attacker has a vested interest in what he
>     is defending and almost always make me think less of the attacker
>     than of those he is attacking.
>     >
>     > By the way, we use DO here for one Joomla page that is unimportant
>     to our operation because Joomla is regularly pinged as insecure by
>     security scanners and there was no need to have that on our main web
>     servers.   We've never used Vultr and I don't have a strong opinion
>     on either.
>     >
>     > Every time I see a mini-flame war here I'm reminded of the scene
>     in the Godfather where Clemenza tells Michael that mob wars must
>     happen, every once in a while, to clear the air.   They're not quite
>     as vicious as the ones from years ago.
>     >
>     > I'm surprised to see suggestion of splitting the list into a
>     professional's list and another again (though I applaud the
>     cleverness of the pale-ale name).   Every time that has been
>     suggested in the past it seemed to just start another flame war.
>     >
>     > It was interesting to me that a separate place was apparently
>     started as I don't recall that in the many years I've been on this
>     list.   Either I missed it during a vacation or it happened before I
>     got here, or I wasn't invited.   
>     >
>     > It is amusing to see that the person that first went personal in
>     the shared hosting thread is now suggesting they want to help with
>     creating a separate list.  That seems to ignore what Jim wrote as to
>     his reasoning for raising the prospect again.
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>> On
>     Behalf Of Leam Hall via Ale
>     > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:46 PM
>     > To: Rich Roberts via Ale <ale at ale.org <mailto:ale at ale.org>>
>     > Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
>     >
>     > On 12/19/18 12:41 PM, Rich Roberts via Ale wrote:
>     >> I believe this is the thread. *"Replacing shared host"*
>     >
>     > Yes; it was pretty pathetic. Sadly, I started the thread; for that
>     you all have my deepest apologies.
>     >
>     > Leam
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