[ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE

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*whoosh*

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Simba via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> You're targeting me and I don't appreciate it. The man called me a
> shill. I didn't start the fire. And you're trying to throw fuel on it.
>
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>
> "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
>
> On 12/19/18 2:02 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote:
> > Leam, asking a technical question is the point of this list so you have
> nothing for which to apologize.
> >
> > The fact that someone decided to attack both the people that indicated
> they had had past problems with Digital Ocean isn't even their fault.  It
> is purely that of the attacker - you don't get far by calling people
> liars.   One of them did respond by calling him a shill but that was a
> reaction to the attacks in my opinion.   I started to respond in that
> thread but then realized I'd just be adding fuel to the fire.   Long ago I
> learned the best way to deal with trollish behavior is to ignore the
> trolls.   Such attacks always make me suspect the attacker has a vested
> interest in what he is defending and almost always make me think less of
> the attacker than of those he is attacking.
> >
> > By the way, we use DO here for one Joomla page that is unimportant to
> our operation because Joomla is regularly pinged as insecure by security
> scanners and there was no need to have that on our main web servers.
>  We've never used Vultr and I don't have a strong opinion on either.
> >
> > Every time I see a mini-flame war here I'm reminded of the scene in the
> Godfather where Clemenza tells Michael that mob wars must happen, every
> once in a while, to clear the air.   They're not quite as vicious as the
> ones from years ago.
> >
> > I'm surprised to see suggestion of splitting the list into a
> professional's list and another again (though I applaud the cleverness of
> the pale-ale name).   Every time that has been suggested in the past it
> seemed to just start another flame war.
> >
> > It was interesting to me that a separate place was apparently started as
> I don't recall that in the many years I've been on this list.   Either I
> missed it during a vacation or it happened before I got here, or I wasn't
> invited.
> >
> > It is amusing to see that the person that first went personal in the
> shared hosting thread is now suggesting they want to help with creating a
> separate list.  That seems to ignore what Jim wrote as to his reasoning for
> raising the prospect again.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org> On Behalf Of Leam Hall via Ale
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:46 PM
> > To: Rich Roberts via Ale <ale at ale.org>
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
> >
> > On 12/19/18 12:41 PM, Rich Roberts via Ale wrote:
> >> I believe this is the thread. *"Replacing shared host"*
> >
> > Yes; it was pretty pathetic. Sadly, I started the thread; for that you
> all have my deepest apologies.
> >
> > Leam
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