[ale] please bow your head for a moment of silence...

[Jim Kinney]

And that is not so much a failure of systemd as it is a failure of the
distro.
The shutdown process requires that filesystems get unmounted. If a
process is trying to write to a log file while that log space is trying
to get unmounted, hang! Sucks using that in a server environment
without an addressable PDU.
Is it the fault of the shutdown command or the fault of the people who
wrote the logic that's failing? That logic layer is hinted at by
systemd but is supposed to be fleshed out by the distro writers.
So, um, yeah, Ubuntu dropped the ball. Fedora has some hangs as well in
the same manner. CentOS 7.3 does not. I don't count my Fedora systems
as "Server OS" although it could work with some tweaks. But Ubuntu
16.04 is supposed to be the LTS release and thus "server class".
 That's (another) FAIL in the Ubuntu scorecard for me.
(I'm happy to throw gasoline on a fire of why some distros are better
suited than others for certain needs :-) 
Just because someone misuses an adjustable wrench and claims that makes
it a lousy screwdriver doesn't make it a bad adjustable wrench.
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 10:35 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> Meanwhile... https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdUb
> untuRebootFailure
> "We just went through a periodic exercise of rebooting all
> of our Ubuntu servers in order to get up to date on kernels and so
> on. By now almost all of our servers are running Ubuntu 16.04, which
> means that they're using systemd. Unfortunately this gives us a real
> problem, because on Ubuntu 16.04, systemd won't reliably reboot your
> system. On some servers, usually the busiest and most important ones,
> the system will just stop during the shutdown process and sit there.
> And sit there. And sit there. Perhaps it would eventually recover
> after tens of minutes, but as mentioned these are generally our
> busiest and most important servers, so we're not exactly going to let
> them sit there to find out what happens eventually."
> 
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 12:29 +0000, Lightner, Jeffrey wrote:
> > > Caveman conversation:
> > > Ug:  What that?
> > > Zog:  Wheel.
> > > Ug:  Why wheel?  Drag work for years.
> > > Zog: More fast to use wheel.
> > > Ug: Wheel made by false god to trap draggers.  It bad.   
> > > Ug then clubs Zog because Zog doesn't see the intrinsic "reason"
> > > of Ug's opinion. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Move ahead 10,000 years:
> > > Ug:  What that?
> > > Zog:  Systemd.
> > > Ug: Why systemd.  Init work for years...
> > > 
> > > :p
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Steve Litt
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 1:47 AM
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] please bow your head for a moment of
> > > silence...
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 07:53:36 -0400
> > > leam hall <leamhall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Given the Linux adoption of systemd the only options seem to
> > > > be 
> > > > "Winderz with a GUI", "Winderz with a command line",
> > > > "Expensive 
> > > > Fruit", or some flavor of BSD.
> > > 
> > > That being said, several Linux distros don't use systemd and are
> > > committed to not using systemd:
> > > 
> > > * Devuan
> > > * Void
> > > * Funtoo
> > > 
> > > There are probably seven or eight more that currently don't use
> > > systemd, or don't use it by default, but have not foresworn the
> > > possibility.
> > > 
> > > Except for those who "simply must" have their Gnome, KDE or
> > > NetworkManager, there are plenty of Linux systems out there they
> > > can run without systemd.
> > > 
> > > SteveT
> > > 
> > > Steve Litt
> > > September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical
> > > Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshoot
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