[ale] Systemd and cygwin

[Lightner, Jeff]

Yep.   EMC "software" audit turned out for us to be even worse than Oracle's.   Thank God we don't use them any longer.

So the question will be will  Dell (who is buying EMC and therefore most of VMware) take on the bad attitudes of EMC or vice-versa?

Just for the record my "+1" was agreeing with Jim's assessment that the talk about Systemd and Seat licenses being bogus.   I was saying no one needs Systemd to abuse you if that is their intent.  

The Systemd and Seat Licenses thing read to me a little bit like the little panic post that shows up on Facebook once in a while about how the FCC is about to release all personal cell phone numbers/names publically.   It wasn't true 4 years ago nor in the most recent posting I saw 2-3 months ago. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of DJ-Pfulio
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:07 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] Systemd and cygwin

If this does happen, it just means that some EMC or VMware sales/marketing people have been hired and want larger bonuses.  Have you ever seen a bill from those guys?

However, I don't really believe that systemd team is behind this.


On 11/17/2015 01:25 PM, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
> +1
> 
> The next change in licensing will be to charge you per core (or worse virtual cores) as opposed to per socket and Systemd isn't required for that.
> 
> No matter how things change the folks that want to rob you with egregious entitlement pricing (e.g. Oracle) will find a model that allows them to do so (and often enough, one that you'll never figure out how to be in compliance with so every audit they do will find a way that you owe them more money).
> 
> One of these days they'll get around to the horrible idea built into real estate leases where they charge you for various "base" costs then add on a little for everything with set minimums like:
> Base license = # of sockets (minimum 4 even if you only have 1)
> +Additional cost = # of cores (minimum 8 per socket even if you only 
> +have 2 per) Additional cost = Quantity of memory installed (minimum 
> +24 TB) Additional cost = # of guests Additional cost = # of vcores 
> +Additional cost = Quantity of memory on each guest
> Total = CHACHING!
> 
> The idea therefore is to try to stay away from the things that aren't FOSS because even when they want to charge you for "subscriptions" and "support" you have to agree to pay them rather than being forced to do to validate your "licenses".
> 
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Kinney
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:32 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Systemd and cygwin
> 
> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 09:20 -0800, Alex Carver wrote:
> 
> This bit just popped up on the cygwin mailing list recently (the "same
> 
> thing" is referring to the Microsoft and Apple One user, one license
> 
> model for programs that were traditionally single machine operations
> 
> like word processing instead of shared server applications that now 
> use
> 
> seats.)
> 
> 
> 
> "    The recent push to convert linux to use systemd -- is all about
> 
> reducing the functionality of linux to require the same thing -- so
> 
> 1 system monitor (systemd) can keep track of how many users are
> 
> using "licensed seats" --- so vendors can force you to pay 10-100
> 
> times for the same program.  It's also about locking down linux so
> 
> that you can't easily your own programs to get around such licensing
> 
> mechanisms (you'd have to "jailbreak" your computer -- as is done
> 
> with smartphones these days, to allow you to run what you want on
> 
> your own computer)."
> 
> ????? Someone on cygwin had a paranoid thought and tried to make a political statement. Since we have the source code for all of this stuff, please find the lines that will make us have to pay license fees to run multiple cores, containers, VM's, etc.
> 
> I call total BS on this.
> 

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