[ale] ALE Meetings???????????

Sun May 10 14:05:32 EDT 2015

Don't forget ALF, last was about 7 years ago.

Jim, I keep waiting for the summer BBQ that hasn't happen in years.

You can count me as number 1 of your 30.

I should know something this summa about space for ALE-NW.   If we can get
space on that side of town, I will do something on my side.

I will not let ALE-NW, it might just become ALE-NE.

LONG  LIVE LINUX.

Also guys, I am still working with Southeast Linux. I will be there in
June. If anyone want a ride or info. Please drop me an e-mail.

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's always a group of Atlanta people to the SELC!
>
> We have a sizable number of subscribers on the ale mailing list but only a
> tiny fraction have ever attended meetings.
>
> Things have changed over the years with Linux enthusiasts. Dilution of
> interest is a big factor. For many years the focus was on "can we make this
> kernel hack work" but now that Linux is mainstream enough that it's
> expected to be learned in CS schools, the focus is on smaller subsections:
> process monitoring ( nagios, etc), application development, security,
> specific use cases (HPC, web services, file servers, etc), automated
> configuration (puppet, chef, spacewalk, foreman, etc), user environments
> (gnome, kde, tiny gui spaces, etc).
>
> In short, the success of Linux has resulted in the demise of the Linux
> general interest group being replaced with specialty groups.
>
> Many, many years ago, ALE pulled off multiple years of (the wonderful and
> hugely successful) ALS, the Atlanta Linux Showcase. That conference set the
> pattern for many following conferences. It also worked a tiny handful of
> people to the point of volunteer apathy and burnout. What they did was
> outstanding but it took a heavy toll.
>
> In the years between ALS and now, many of the founders and leaders of ALE
> have (wisely) developed new hobbies outside of work (Linux stuff of
> course!) and involvement with ALE is an unpaid extension of work. Mix in a
> family life and ALE takes an ever diminished role.
>
> I have given much thought to formally announcing the intent to not pursue
> ALE meetings any more. So many of us are deep into the minutiae of a
> specialized area that a talk reaches a fraction of percent of ALE
> subscribers and is too technical to attract a younger, student crowd.
> Without a student crowd to involve faculty support, free access to meeting
> space at local universities is not an option.
>
> But I can't bring myself to make that announcement. I keep holding out
> that I'll get an offer to give a talk that will get 20 people to show up
> again. Plus I would be horridly depressed to see something I've been
> involved with for 15 years roll over and die. But I've only got so much
> time and energy with _my_ non-Linux hobbies and I don't want to give a talk
> every month. I could. Getting me to talk is not the problem. Getting me to
> shut up is :-) But that would make it look like it's  Jim's ALE group and
> it's not.
>
> That said, I would do a talk a month for many months (I can commit to 6
> right now) if there was a firm commitment of at least 30 attendees. That
> would allow for some variation due to illness and schedule issues for
> attendees so a group of 20+ would be present every month. It would also
> inspire me to hammer the CS department at Emory for official sponsorship
> (reviving LUGE - Linux Users Group of Emory) which could include possible
> access to a lecture theater classroom and active student participation.
>
> But I've got to have an audience for this stuff. I always enjoy seeing the
> 2-4 people that attend every meeting but that's too small of a crowd for
> the effort. If the attendance dips below 10 any single month or below 15
> for 2 consecutive months, I'll call it off.
>
> I guess I've thrown down the gauntlet here.
>
> If 30 people commit to attendance in the next 2 weeks, I'll work up a talk
> schedule to begin for a June meeting date with May meeting for general
> discussion of topics and beers afterwards.
> On May 10, 2015 11:45 AM, "Mark at markulmer.com" <mark at markulmer.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> Thanks for the reply. I moved to GA in October and I was looking forward
>> to ALE meetings. Sorry ALE meetings are dead. I'll continue to watch the
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Are you familiar with the Southeast Linux Fest that is in Charlotte each
>> June. It's a great small conference. May I suggest we look at doing
>> something similar (annual Linux geek out) here in Atlanta.
>>
>> In the meantime the GA 400 Linux group meetings are good and I encourage
>> others to check them out.
>>
>> Thanks Jim,
>> Mark Ulmer
>>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Jim Kinney <jkinney at jimkinney.us> wrote:
>>
>> So you will get this before the daily digest.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jim Kinney <jkinney at jimkinney.us>
>> *Sent:* May 10, 2015 9:05:55 AM EDT
>> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ale] ALE Meetings???????????
>>
>> If there were meetings they would be posted on the web page. We have not
>> been having meetings as there's little/no interest in meetings. Having a
>> talk for a crowd of 2 was not worth the effort. ALE-NW has lost it's space.
>> ALE-Central is likely going to lose it's space soon due to remodeling in my
>> department.
>>
>> ALE is dead. Long live ALE.
>>
>> Aaron stepped down over a year ago.
>>
>> Who knows. Maybe we can pull off a last gasp cookout this summer.
>>
>> On May 9, 2015 10:31:22 PM EDT, Mark Ulmer <mark at markulmer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron,
>>> When is this next ALE Central or NW meeting?  Could someone please post
>>> the meetings to the ale.org website?
>>>
>>> I'm on the ale mailing list, yet there is too much general conversation.
>>> I had to drop it to just the daily digest.  I've been watching this year
>>> for ALE meeting announcements and seem to keep missing them or they are
>>> not being announced.
>>>
>>> Do you have a better suggestion for me to follow and be able to attend
>>> the ALE meetings?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark Ulmer
>>>
>>>
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