[ale] totally OT: hobbies

Wed Jul 10 07:53:40 EDT 2013

Watching people try to think is funny. Watching them fail is hilarious!
On Jul 9, 2013 11:32 PM, "Doug Hall" <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:

> re: your neighbors are going to jail for not providing the answers that
> matched with the records gathered in advance. Based on analysis, it was
> clear they had no association with you and thus everything they said was a
> lie.
>
> +1 :-)
>
> Oh, and I forgot a hobby - making people laugh - or think. I can't
> remember which.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> your neighbors are going to jail for not providing the answers that
>> matched with the records gathered in advance. Based on analysis, it was
>> clear they had no association with you and thus everything they said was a
>> lie.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> The big "gotcha" with the metadata is the way it can be used to spin up a
>> persons lifestyle and add in "guilt by association". Senator McCarthy would
>> have publicly wet himself daily for this kind of data.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Doug Hall <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope everyone enjoyed my post. Just to be sure you know, I'm as
>>> harmless as a lamb. I love everybody, and respect our differences as a
>>> positive thing for our country. I AM conservative, and I do enjoy singing
>>> in my church choir. (There had to be some truth there, to draw you in.) Oh,
>>> and I hope this note satisfies the NSA. Please don't start interviewing my
>>> neighbors. ;-)
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Sean Kilpatrick <kilpatms at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect, Ron and I have VERY different understandings of
>>>> "due process."
>>>>
>>>> The FISA Court is a Star Chamber. Due Process doesn't exist there.
>>>>
>>>> The Fourth amendment reads this way:
>>>>
>>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
>>>> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>>>> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported
>>>> by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
>>>> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>>>>
>>>>  That is, the security guard at a courthouse may peer inside the
>>>> lawyer's briefcase to look for a firearm or contraband but may NOT
>>>> confiscate or copy the papers therein. In a similar manner, the government
>>>> needs a warrant to inspect the contents of your personal "snail" mail.
>>>>
>>>> I believe, very strongly, that your laptop and/or your "smart" phone
>>>> are the modern equivalent of a briefcase. They certainly meet the modern
>>>> definition of "effects."
>>>>
>>>> We now know what many have surmised for a decade or more: The NSA is
>>>> analyzing the metadata of nearly all of our electronic communications (of
>>>> all kinds) without a warrant and is storing the contents of those
>>>> communications for search at a later time if the situation seems to suggest
>>>> that relevant data might be present. And the warrant for that search is
>>>> signed by the FISA Court in its Star Chamber.
>>>>
>>>> The result is simple: your persons, houses, papers, and effects may and
>>>> can be searched without a warrant issued by a court whose records are open
>>>> to the public.
>>>>
>>>> Due Process has been tossed out the window.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>  On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:32:06 pm Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Yes, but, as far as I know, not being in the spook community, they're
>>>>
>>>> > not just vacuuming up every byte from every public server on the
>>>>
>>>> > planet. That would be prohibitively expensive and inefficient even
>>>>
>>>> > for the government. As I understand it, they've placed taps at key
>>>>
>>>> > intersections of the data flow of the internet, like gmail, verizon,
>>>>
>>>> > at&t, comcast, etc. That way, they get 90% of the info they're
>>>>
>>>> > interested in for 1/100 of the trouble and money.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > So, since this message went through gmail, it probably already resides
>>>>
>>>> > on an NSA hard drive. And, with all those juicy words, it may have
>>>>
>>>> > been "flagged" for further attention. To each his own, but, I'm not
>>>>
>>>> > sure poking the sleeping dragon is the best idea. They really do have
>>>>
>>>> > a critical mission to search for terrorists, with due process. I
>>>>
>>>> > appreciate that they're doing that. But, not only that, I remember
>>>>
>>>> > receiving an official letter from the FCC once that I wasn't
>>>>
>>>> > expecting. It was actually just a routine notice regarding my ham
>>>>
>>>> > radio license. But, just getting it was unnerving. In general, the
>>>>
>>>> > less communications I get from the govt., the better.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Ron
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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