[ale] totally OT: hobbies

Tue Jul 9 23:29:58 EDT 2013

re: your neighbors are going to jail for not providing the answers that
matched with the records gathered in advance. Based on analysis, it was
clear they had no association with you and thus everything they said was a
lie.

+1 :-)

Oh, and I forgot a hobby - making people laugh - or think. I can't remember
which.

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

> your neighbors are going to jail for not providing the answers that
> matched with the records gathered in advance. Based on analysis, it was
> clear they had no association with you and thus everything they said was a
> lie.
>
> :-)
>
> The big "gotcha" with the metadata is the way it can be used to spin up a
> persons lifestyle and add in "guilt by association". Senator McCarthy would
> have publicly wet himself daily for this kind of data.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Doug Hall <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope everyone enjoyed my post. Just to be sure you know, I'm as
>> harmless as a lamb. I love everybody, and respect our differences as a
>> positive thing for our country. I AM conservative, and I do enjoy singing
>> in my church choir. (There had to be some truth there, to draw you in.) Oh,
>> and I hope this note satisfies the NSA. Please don't start interviewing my
>> neighbors. ;-)
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Sean Kilpatrick <kilpatms at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> With all due respect, Ron and I have VERY different understandings of
>>> "due process."
>>>
>>> The FISA Court is a Star Chamber. Due Process doesn't exist there.
>>>
>>> The Fourth amendment reads this way:
>>>
>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
>>> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>>> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported
>>> by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
>>> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>>>
>>>  That is, the security guard at a courthouse may peer inside the
>>> lawyer's briefcase to look for a firearm or contraband but may NOT
>>> confiscate or copy the papers therein. In a similar manner, the government
>>> needs a warrant to inspect the contents of your personal "snail" mail.
>>>
>>> I believe, very strongly, that your laptop and/or your "smart" phone are
>>> the modern equivalent of a briefcase. They certainly meet the modern
>>> definition of "effects."
>>>
>>> We now know what many have surmised for a decade or more: The NSA is
>>> analyzing the metadata of nearly all of our electronic communications (of
>>> all kinds) without a warrant and is storing the contents of those
>>> communications for search at a later time if the situation seems to suggest
>>> that relevant data might be present. And the warrant for that search is
>>> signed by the FISA Court in its Star Chamber.
>>>
>>> The result is simple: your persons, houses, papers, and effects may and
>>> can be searched without a warrant issued by a court whose records are open
>>> to the public.
>>>
>>> Due Process has been tossed out the window.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>  On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:32:06 pm Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yes, but, as far as I know, not being in the spook community, they're
>>>
>>> > not just vacuuming up every byte from every public server on the
>>>
>>> > planet. That would be prohibitively expensive and inefficient even
>>>
>>> > for the government. As I understand it, they've placed taps at key
>>>
>>> > intersections of the data flow of the internet, like gmail, verizon,
>>>
>>> > at&t, comcast, etc. That way, they get 90% of the info they're
>>>
>>> > interested in for 1/100 of the trouble and money.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > So, since this message went through gmail, it probably already resides
>>>
>>> > on an NSA hard drive. And, with all those juicy words, it may have
>>>
>>> > been "flagged" for further attention. To each his own, but, I'm not
>>>
>>> > sure poking the sleeping dragon is the best idea. They really do have
>>>
>>> > a critical mission to search for terrorists, with due process. I
>>>
>>> > appreciate that they're doing that. But, not only that, I remember
>>>
>>> > receiving an official letter from the FCC once that I wasn't
>>>
>>> > expecting. It was actually just a routine notice regarding my ham
>>>
>>> > radio license. But, just getting it was unnerving. In general, the
>>>
>>> > less communications I get from the govt., the better.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sincerely,
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Ron
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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