[ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!

Mon May 2 16:06:24 EDT 2011

Jeff,

I do agree with your 2nd paragraph, and I did refrain from speaking about
what I don't know about. I don't watch much TV, but that is not to say that
I NEVER watch TV, I'm just much more a talk radio junkie. My point was only
that your post made the claim that Fox held itself out as a conservative
news source. To my knowledge they have not made that claim, just that they
are "fair and balanced." Granted they are a bit more conservative than most
of the other fare available, but I've never heard of them claiming to be
"your conservative source for news" or any such equivalent. If I am wrong on
that score, I am willing to be set straight.

Also, lets not conflate the commentary shows (Hannity, O'reilly, etc), of
which there are a plethora, with the news shows. I think you would be hard
put to find any news talking head more fair than, for example, Brit Hume.
Based on ratings, it would seem that Fox is eating the liberal channels
lunch. Isn't that prima facie evidence that "folks like them." My take is
that their popularity is precisely because of their more
conservative/balanced slant than that of the competition. Again, if I am
wrong, I am open to correction.

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:

>  So we should base our perception on advertising especially when it is
> clear they are neither fair nor balanced in their reporting?   Unlike you I
> don’t discuss things I haven’t seen.   When FNN  first came on the air I
> watched them for as long as I could stomach it and periodically check them
> out as I did last night.   In my not so humble opinion only someone to the
> right of Pat Buchannan would think them “fair and balanced”.  If folks like
> them that is their prerogative but pretending they don’t report from the
> right wing side of things is silly.  MSNBC reports from the left wing
> side.   CNN at one point seemed more “fair” and somewhat “balanced” even if
> left leaning but has since tried to become FNN because so much of their
> audience went to FNN and failed miserably at it.
>
>
>
> Nowadays everything is commentary and trying to actually find news on any
> of the channels is difficult.   Don’t think I’m a CNN fan either.   They are
> sensationalist as well with so many of their anchors displaying fake outrage
> over trivial issues.   They also annoy the hell out of me for having folks
> like Nancy Grace on pre-judging all legal issues long before they ever see
> the inside of a courtroom.   CNN pretty much lost my respect when they
> jumped on the OJ Simpson bandwagon long before FNN came into the picture.
>
>
>
> For in depth information I go on line.  However, when big stories break the
> fastest way to get somewhat credible information is still TV.
>
>
>
> Interestingly the first thing I saw on CNN this morning was a New York
> Congressman praising Obama’s actions in this and giving him the credit.
> The CNN interviewer mentioned the actions of others in the administration
> and this guy was quick to point out that if it had gone wrong nobody would
> be talking about anyone but Obama so since it went right Obama deserved the
> credit.   That guy is the most “fair and balanced” observer I’ve seen in
> Washington in months.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Clifton
> *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2011 12:58 PM
>
> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> *Subject:* Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
>
>
>  Nice for a channel that likes to pretend it supports conservative values.
>
>
>
> As I recall, the FNN tag line is "Fair AND balanced", I don't recall any
> mention of conservative values ever, but then I don't watch much TV. Sounds
> like you are creating a "straw man" argument.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>
> wrote:
>
> "Homicide bombers" is just plain stupid and is an attempt at a political
> correctness that is unnecessary.   All bombers that kill people are
> "homicide" bombers by definition and "suicide bomber" merely meant the
> dumb@$$ killed himself at the same time as he killed others.  Fox
> decided that somehow "suicide" meant the idiots were being "honored" by
> other news networks and thereby proved themselves to be idiots instead.
>
> Do you really suppose the people that support these idiots really give
> any credence to how False News Network describes them?   No - it is
> simply sensationalism masquerading as journalism.  I tried to watch FNN
> last night to see how they were reporting it compared to CNN but once I
> saw Geraldo taking the lead there was no way.   Every time I see
> "Geraldo at Large" I can't help but think "Why the hell is he still at
> large?"  This is the same guy that wrote a memoir (long before Fox hired
> him) in which he claimed to sleep with every woman in the News and
> Entertainment industry.    Nice for a channel that likes to pretend it
> supports conservative values.
>
> More interesting to me was that when I went to the broadcast networks
> they didn't even have a scroll at the bottom of the screen indicating
> the President was about to speak.   They did come on by the time he
> spoke and may have had bulletins at some point before that but you'd
> think they'd have had such a scroll or notice for those who were just
> tuning into them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
>
> Damon Chesser
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:05 AM
>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!
>
> Astounding.  We went in three emails from Bin Laden is dead to Fox
> Sucks.  What one has to do with the other is beyond me.  After having
> watched the breaking news on FNN, I never once saw anybody guess on what
> Mr. Obama would say, other than The President is scheduled to speak
> soon.
>
> I don't care what news source you prefer, btw.  I am merely objecting to
> three emails to go from first post to political/biased/fox sucks.
>
> I happen to LIKE the description of homicide bomber vs. suicide bomber.
> I think Homicide is more honest.  Suicide implies other people died as
> an after effect of the suicide.
>
> Am I stupid?
>
>
>
> Damon Chesser
> dchesser at acsi2000.com
> damon at damtek.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Lightner, Jeff
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!
>
> I liked the fact that CNN refused to speculate on what the President was
> going to say even when they had one source.   They waited until they had
> 3 sources confirming it and the President had delayed for quite a while
> before they reported it.
>
> Fox knows how to mispronounce things.  While most reasonable people
> understand that "suicide bomber" simply designated that the murderer
> killed himself instead of doing a remote detonation Fox decided everyone
> was too stupid to understand that.   Accordingly they came up with
> "homicide bombers".   They also showed how reliable a news source they
> are by continuing to employ Geraldo after he claimed to be in the midst
> of a battle he was 300 miles away from and called it a "mistake".   How
> the heck does someone not know the difference between bullets wizzing
> past their ears and NOT wizzing past their ears?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Scott Castaline
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:40 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!
>
> On 05/01/2011 11:02 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > I'm ecstatic to say the news is reporting Usama Bin Laden has been
> > killed by the USA and his dna verified!
> >
> > God Bless the USA!
> > =====
> >
> I have to note though that it seemed that FOX was the only one that
> spelled it with a U, while all the others were spelling it as Osama.
> Doesn't matter as long as he's dead, bullet to the head from the
> President's announcement.
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