[ale] Way OT: In case you missed this in the news... Climategate

[Thompson Freeman]

On 05/09/2010 10:25:44 PM, Tim Watts wrote:
> I believe it's perfectly customary to say that something
> is becoming
> acidic even though its pH is still on the base end of the
> scale. It
> simply describes the direction the pH is moving. Likewise,
> it would not
> be uncommon to hear someone say something like "a
> hydrochloric acid
> solution becomes more base when diluted with water". Not
> an alarmist's
> tactic, just scientific custom.
> 
> I now leave this thread thoroughly convinced that I have
> not changed
> anybody's mind on this narrow aspect of the subject -- nor
> will anybody
> change anybody else's mind about any aspect of this
> subject. :-)
> 
You may not have changed anybody's mind, but I appreciate  
the fact that you spoke up (and IMHO, spoke correctly).  
Thank you.

> 
> On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 19:56 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > As an example, I consider the below statement from the
> letter you
> > linked to alarmist.
> >
> > "Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the
> oceans more acidic."
> >
> > I say that because the oceans are basic, not acidic at
> present.  So an
> > objective statement would read more like.
> >
> > "Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the
> oceans less
> > and less basic, and may at some point make them acidic."
> >
> > It just seems the global warming alarmist community uses
> alarmist
> > terminology in general.
> >
> > If you read the Burt Rutan PPT, you see if does not say
> the GW
> > alarmists routinely lie.  He says the information is
> cherry picked and
> > specifically packaged to make it appear alarming.  OTOH,
> the ppt
> > presents the same info in a larger context that is
> "designed to
> > inform, not alarm".
> >
> > fyi: I assume that some model forecasts the oceans ph
> dropping below
> > 7.0 and thus having acidic oceans at some point, but it
> hasn't
> > happened yet.  Also, rain water is below 7.0, so fresh
> water sources
> > are typically acidic. The ocean is basic due to all the
> submerged
> > limestone around the world.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Kinney
> <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/328/5979/689
> > >
> > > I highly recommend reading the AAS members letter.
> About this topic. Many
> > > people are making lots of noise about the wrong aspect
> of climate science.
> > >
> > > On May 7, 2010 8:30 PM, "Greg Freemyer"
> <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > William,
> > >
> > > Here's an alternate perspective from Burt Rutan (yes
> the engineer).
> > >
> > >  
> http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/EngrCritique.AGW.Science.2.ppt
> > >
> > > He clearly thinks some shenanigans went on.
> > >
> > > Warning: Its almost 100 slides, but its very
> informative.  Or it's full of
> > > lies.
> > >
> > > Given that the lies case might be real, if anyone
> knows of a global
> > > warming alarmists critique of this I'd like to review
> it sometime.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, William Fragakis
> <william at fragakis.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Funny how some thi...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team
> > > Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer
> > > CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo -
> > >
> > >  
> http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrieved/
> > >
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > The Intersection of Evidence & Technology
> > > http://www.norcrossgroup.com
> > >
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