[ale] Way OT: In case you missed this in the news... Climategate

[Tim Watts]

I believe it's perfectly customary to say that something is becoming
acidic even though its pH is still on the base end of the scale. It
simply describes the direction the pH is moving. Likewise, it would not
be uncommon to hear someone say something like "a hydrochloric acid
solution becomes more base when diluted with water". Not an alarmist's
tactic, just scientific custom.

I now leave this thread thoroughly convinced that I have not changed
anybody's mind on this narrow aspect of the subject -- nor will anybody
change anybody else's mind about any aspect of this subject. :-)


On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 19:56 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> As an example, I consider the below statement from the letter you
> linked to alarmist.
> 
> "Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the oceans more acidic."
> 
> I say that because the oceans are basic, not acidic at present.  So an
> objective statement would read more like.
> 
> "Rising concentrations of carbon dioxide are making the oceans less
> and less basic, and may at some point make them acidic."
> 
> It just seems the global warming alarmist community uses alarmist
> terminology in general.
> 
> If you read the Burt Rutan PPT, you see if does not say the GW
> alarmists routinely lie.  He says the information is cherry picked and
> specifically packaged to make it appear alarming.  OTOH, the ppt
> presents the same info in a larger context that is "designed to
> inform, not alarm".
> 
> fyi: I assume that some model forecasts the oceans ph dropping below
> 7.0 and thus having acidic oceans at some point, but it hasn't
> happened yet.  Also, rain water is below 7.0, so fresh water sources
> are typically acidic. The ocean is basic due to all the submerged
> limestone around the world.
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/328/5979/689
> >
> > I highly recommend reading the AAS members letter. About this topic. Many
> > people are making lots of noise about the wrong aspect of climate science.
> >
> > On May 7, 2010 8:30 PM, "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > William,
> >
> > Here's an alternate perspective from Burt Rutan (yes the engineer).
> >
> > http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/EngrCritique.AGW.Science.2.ppt
> >
> > He clearly thinks some shenanigans went on.
> >
> > Warning: Its almost 100 slides, but its very informative.  Or it's full of
> > lies.
> >
> > Given that the lies case might be real, if anyone knows of a global
> > warming alarmists critique of this I'd like to review it sometime.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, William Fragakis <william at fragakis.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Funny how some thi...
> >
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