alright, being a fan of the ELive distro i have now stumbled across this one based on Ubuntu. i want to play with it a bit and see how it runs on some of my older machines, but i like the idea of this. oh, and it's pretty... http://geubuntu.intilinux.com/ -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/