[ale] Re: Ale Digest, Vol 3, Issue 116
Martin Ernst
kd4hlv at earthlink.net
Sat Nov 29 20:15:14 EST 2003
Thanks for all input, I did mean a replacement for MS Publisher. I am
now working 99.5% in linux now. The program Corel will be next to
replace and find a driver for my Roland Vinyl graphic cutter will be the
last of the MS world.
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> 1. Re: Publisher for Linux (James P. Kinney III)
> 2. Re: resizing hd & buying tape drive (Stephen Turner)
> 3. Microcenter and Linux (Geoffrey)
> 4. dvd burning docs? (Geoffrey)
> 5. Re: Publisher for Linux (BruceG)
> 6. Re: Publisher for Linux (hbbs at comcast.net)
> 7. Re: OT - Best newtork switches... (Keith Morris)
> 8. Re: Publisher for Linux (Sean Kilpatrick)
> 9. Traceroute vs tracert (Robert L. Harris)
> 10. Re: Publisher for Linux (hbbs at comcast.net)
> 11. Re: Publisher for Linux (Jim Philips)
> 12. bash, full filename (David Corbin)
> 13. Re: Publisher for Linux (hbbs at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: 28 Nov 2003 18:04:19 -0500
> From: "James P. Kinney III" <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <1070060659.14538.0.camel at test.localnetsolutions.com>
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> Yes. Scribus kicks some serious page layout tail.
>
> On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 17:47, James Sumners wrote:
> > http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/
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> > On 28 Nov 2003 17:10:14 -0500
> > Martin Ernst <kd4hlv at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an alliterative to MS Publisher for linux?
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:33:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: Stephen Turner <artic_knight at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] resizing hd & buying tape drive
> To: jojerose at mindspring.com, Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <20031129003305.32954.qmail at web10107.mail.yahoo.com>
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> > I bought my wife an Olympus Camedia C400 digital camera ~2 years ago.
> > It is USB so all I do is mount the camera(/dev/sda1). Then I can use
> > any image viewing software I want, I like gqview. When I want to save
> > the pictures, I just use cp. I haven't found a way to delete them from
> > the camera though. I still have to use the camera's delete function.
> > gphoto does not work with my camera but I hear it is good. My wife uses
> > ipics or something like that on OSX which crashes while importing the
> > pictures. I find mount and copy to be far easier and more intuitive. I
> > highly recommend the Olympus cameras if you are looking.
>
>
> yea thats what i was doing before and it worked out great i still got the
> script for my sony that mounts and dl all the stuff from video folder and
> pix folder makes sure nothing gets overwrote and then deletes it all,
> supposedly i read somewhere i wasnt supposed to be able to delete but i
> was able to so oh well :-p guess ill stick to that, seemed good enough
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500
> From: Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net>
> Subject: [ale] Microcenter and Linux
> To: ALE <ale at ale.org>
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> Just stopped into Microcenter today to check out their sales for the
> holidays. They've got new POS terminals. Caught the following message
> on one booting up:
>
> Booting Linux.....
>
> :)
>
> --
> Until later, Geoffrey esoteric at 3times25.net
>
> Building secure systems inspite of Microsoft
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:32:15 -0500
> From: Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net>
> Subject: [ale] dvd burning docs?
> To: ALE <ale at ale.org>
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> Anyone know of a list of supported/working dvd burners? I've not been
> able to locate one.
>
> --
> Until later, Geoffrey esoteric at 3times25.net
>
> Building secure systems inspite of Microsoft
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> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:58:41 -0500
> From: "BruceG" <griffisb at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
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> Scribus is an alternative. I've tried Scribus on my SuSE desktop and MS Publisher Deluxe (or whatever) on my Windows PC. For ease of use, for the ability to get started RIGHT NOW and be productive RIGHT NOW - MS Publisher is very good.
>
> That said, I didn't put in enough time in learning Scribus. I'll need to set aside some time to work with Scribus, OOo, the Gimp and GnuCash (all cool desktop apps).
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> From: Martin Ernst
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> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:10 PM
> Subject: [ale] Publisher for Linux
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> I'm looking for an alliterative to MS Publisher for linux?
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> From: hbbs at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
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> The learning curve thing is a problem for working with Lyx, TeTeX, etc. Barring the use of canned styles, the notion of designing a document before typing word one is off-putting to many, I'm sure.
>
> However, I think it would be an excellent way to create, edit, manage, and control Government contract documents. The software application used in the CDC's Procurement and Grants Office, ICE, is a PowerBuilder/SQL Server app that apparently builds an MS Word macro and sets it off onto a pre-built Word document.
>
> While that's happening - and it can take several minutes - the computer can't really be touched for fear of having it crash and furthermore, changes in versions of Word require a snipe hunt for the changes that have to be made to the macro, and at the end of it you wind up with something that winds up having to be fixed by hand anyway.
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> - Jeff
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> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:32:27 -0500
> From: Keith Morris <graphicsguy at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Best newtork switches...
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
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> Thank you all for your advice. That narrows things down alot!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Keith Morris
>
> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 09:25, Keith Morris wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I just needed a quick bit of advice and couldn't think of a better group
> > of people to ask.
> >
> > I am needing to purchase a 48 port 100 base network switch that has
> > high-speed stacking ports for future growth. I am supporting a group of
> > designers and developers who use quite a bit of bandwidth and our
> > current generic 100 base switches uplinked are showing their throughput
> > weaknesses.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share opinions/experiences
> > with different switches and offer recommendations on what to buy. I'm
> > wanting to stay in roughly the $1000-$1500 range so Foundry "BigIron" is
> > a little out of the questions.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any any information you could offer.
> >
> > Keith Morris
> > Creative Director
> > Design / Effects
> > IQ television group
> > http://www.iqtv.com
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:42:55 -0500
> From: Sean Kilpatrick <kilpatms at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <200311291043.02216.kilpatms at mindspring.com>
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> On Friday 28 November 2003 11:37 pm, hbbs at comcast.net wrote:
> | The learning curve thing is a problem for working with Lyx, TeTeX, etc.
> | Barring the use of canned styles, the notion of designing a document
> | before typing word one is off-putting to many, I'm sure.
>
>
> I would gently suggest that such folk get over it. I have spent decades
> working in the publishing industry. It is far easier to type all but
> the shortest bits of text in a word processing program or text editor
> and then import the text into a DeskTop Publishing (DTP) program.
> DTP programs make lousy text editors. Headlines, chapter headings
> and the like can be created while running a DTP program but anything
> longer is best written in a program that is designed for editing text.
>
> Writing text and designing page layouts are very different tasks,
> requiring different skills and different mind-sets. It is difficult to
> do both at the same time except for the simplest of documents. Programs
> like Word, or Word Perfect, or the WP module of OO, are Word Processing
> programs with extra bits thrown on top for minimal layout tasks. They are
> not, nor were they intended to be, true DTP programs. Programs such as
> Quark, or Pagemaker or Scribus take time to learn and are difficult to
> master but they contain the tools needed to create complex, multi-page
> documents.
>
> Sean
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:18:28 -0500
> From: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>
> Subject: [ale] Traceroute vs tracert
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <20031129161828.GE1410 at rdlg.net>
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> I know there's a difference in how Linux/Solaris/Unix traceroute works
> versus how windows tracert uses concerning the protocol type, etc.
> Anyone have a good link to this difference?
>
> :wq!
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> DISCLAIMER:
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> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:24:19 +0000
> From: hbbs at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: kilpatms at mindspring.com, Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <112920031624.907.1fee at comcast.net>
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> > On Friday 28 November 2003 11:37 pm, hbbs at comcast.net wrote:
> > | The learning curve thing is a problem for working with Lyx, TeTeX, etc.
> > | Barring the use of canned styles, the notion of designing a document
> > | before typing word one is off-putting to many, I'm sure.
> >
> >
> > I would gently suggest that such folk get over it.
>
> My gentle suggestions that pigs should fly still go unheeded. People who haven't seen any more than Word in their working lives typically go apoplectic at a mere verbal description of Lyx. That those same people will practically go insane trying to get all of their paragraphs and headings to line up with each other and get the font and point size uniform after pasting from various sources is but a testament to the futility that is life.
>
> - Jeff
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:14:35 -0500
> From: Jim Philips <jcphil at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Publisher for Linux
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <200311291214.36261.jcphil at mindspring.com>
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> On Saturday 29 November 2003 11:24 am, hbbs at comcast.net wrote:
> > > On Friday 28 November 2003 11:37 pm, hbbs at comcast.net wrote:
> > > | The learning curve thing is a problem for working with Lyx, TeTeX, etc.
> > > | Barring the use of canned styles, the notion of designing a document
> > > | before typing word one is off-putting to many, I'm sure.
> > >
> > > I would gently suggest that such folk get over it.
> >
> > My gentle suggestions that pigs should fly still go unheeded. People who
> > haven't seen any more than Word in their working lives typically go
> > apoplectic at a mere verbal description of Lyx. That those same people
> > will practically go insane trying to get all of their paragraphs and
> > headings to line up with each other and get the font and point size uniform
> > after pasting from various sources is but a testament to the futility that
> > is life.
>
> And people who use word processing programs just take it for granted that they
> don't do math. Back when I was dabbling in real estate, I needed a program
> that could give me nicely formatted equations. Try doing that in a word
> processor! It took me about five minutes to learn how to do it in Lyx, and
> everything looked great.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:49:39 -0500
> From: David Corbin <dcorbin at machturtle.com>
> Subject: [ale] bash, full filename
> To: ale at ale.org
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> How can I take a filename (which may or may not be relative) and convert it to
> be a fully qualified filename, in bash?
>
> Thanks
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