[ale] OT: Anybody sick today?

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> >  Also, people that diet tend to be more concerned 
> > about their excercise and vice versa. When I am on the diet I drink a LOT 
> > more water (often 2 Liters straight before riding,  close to 2 liters 
>>riding 15 miles on the bike, 2 liters of sugar free koolaid for the rest of 
>> the  day).
> 
> That's actually a side effect of the Atkins diet. Since fat burning
> takes more water, you need more of it. It's not that you're more health
> conscious, it's that you're dehydrating quicker.

Methinks it is a side effect of riding a mountain bike (off road) 15 miles.
Try it, and see how much water you drink. Next, try the Atkins diet and see 
how much water you drink. Compare.

> >  Also, I skip beer, caffine/chocolate. You are implying that the diet 
> > ITSELF works as a diurectic(spelling). 
> > 
> > Support that with research.
> 
> Heh, there's plenty of it.

Just not here.

> > People that diet tend to . . .. excercise more.
> 
> Not bloody likely. Most people diet in lieu of exercise.

Hmmm. My position is that people that are concerned about health, watch their 
diet and raise the amount they excercise. 
(kick and punch is to fight as diet and exercise is to health) 

Your position seems to be that the majority of the people care enough about 
their health to diet, BUT don't care enough to raise their level of 
excercise. (In this case the fighter is somehow motivated to ineffectively 
limit themselves to punching). Following that logic, you could also say that 
most people that excercise "don't watch their diet" because they don't have 
to - they are losing the weight through excercise. :) Ok.

> It's far healthier to eat more
> than your fill three times a day consistently than to eat your fill two
> times a day, then three the next, then not eat the next, then two the
> next day...

WOW. You're kidding right? There are TONS (litterally) of obese people loving 
you right about now.

> 
> > > What you need to be treating is your health, not the
> > > weight. 
> > 
> > No. I disagree. I feel that you need to treat BOTH. 
> 
> If you solve the first, the second goes away. Weight is not something
> that will kill you--an unhealthy lifestyle will.

Semantics. I am saying keep track of your weight IS part of "treating your 
health" but you are implying that one should somehow try to live a healthy 
lifestyle WHILE ignoring weight.

> You fail to mention anything about the effects of obesity.
> 
> Obesity is the result of an unhealthy lifestyle. If you liposuction the
> fat out directly, you're still not any healthier. Even worse, you still
> don't have healthy lifestyle habits.

You seem to be implying that those who life unheathly lifestyles will have as 
many health issues (or die) at the exact same rate as an obese person who 
lives an unhealthy lifestyle.
I have a friend who lives an unhealthy lifestyle AND was obese (600 pounds).
The doctors estimated he had about 6 years to live.
He got his stomach stapled and lost 285 pounds right before my eyes (it was 
weird because I didn't seem him for about 3-4 months and barely recognized 
him. He said there is a free operation he can get to cut off all of that 
excess skin and donate it to burn victims. He does not do illegal drugs. Are 
you saying he will still die in about 6 years because he doesn't work out and 
chews tabacco? His doctors don't seem to think so. We'll see . . . .

> And please, everyone knows Atkins mucks with your metabolism--that's one
> of the key parts. You switch over your metabolism from burning carbs to
> burning fat. It's the goddamned cornerstone of the entire diet. On the
> other hand, our bodies weren't *designed* for that type of diet-

Obviously our bodies *were* designed for that type of diet insofar as the 
mechanics of the diet work because that is how the body reacts. Continuing 
your thought process, you imply that our bodies are not designed to lose 
weight in general. 
Oh, AND you probably agree that excercise changes your metabolism too. 
By your logic, it too must be unhealthy. :) Where do you get this stuff? 

> Any diet makes you "watch" what you eat. That's the *point* of a diet.
> If the fact that Atkins prevents you from eating McDonalds is such an
> important facet of the diet, according to you, any other diet on the
> goddamned planet would suffice.

Yes. I am saying that. And, you and I probably agree that ALL diets are 
effective at reaching one goal or another. I am just adding that Atkins 
reaches certain desirable goals quickly. Oh, and I am also adding that 
"watching what you eat" and "reducing what you eat" is part of maintaining a 
healthy lifestyle (whereas you blatantly say it is healthier to eat more than 
3 meals a day):

"It's far healthier to eat more than your fill three times a day 
consistently . . ."

> If losing weight and changing your eating habits are your goals, that's
> great. I'm saying they shouldn't be. Your goal should be to live a
> healthy lifestyle--eating better needs to be a part of that, not the
> entirety.

I don't think any of the pro-Atkins people on this list are anti-health. I for 
one mentioned that I workout upwards of an hour a day (riding offroad)
(or run 1.3 miles). 

Further your above statement directly conflict with themselves:
People who are somewhat overweight can't "achieve the goal living a heathly 
lifestyle" while "not making it a goal to lose weight and change eating 
habits"

> > Your attitude seems to be that someone is going to get on the Atkins diet 
> > eating only steak forever, not work out, not take vitamins, and actually 
> > become anorexic. 

> I've seen plenty. 

Riiiiiiight.
 		--Dr. Evil

Well, all of that being said, you are entitled to your opinion about dieters 
and the Atkins diet. However, regardless of that opinion, I will still use 
the Atkins diet if I ever need to diet again, and I will continue to 
excercise daily (and take vitamins), oh - and even eat carbs.

. . . and I'm spent.* 
		--Austin Powers

(spent = done with this thread).
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> Stephen Touset <stephen at touset.org>
> 
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Drew Brown
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