[ale] OT - Entry Level Job Opening

[John Wells]

/me grabs shotgun, points it at this thread, and pulls the trigger.

There...it's dead.  Sheesh.  Leave the guy alone.  How many people on this
list are unemployed?  How many *need* job leads like this?

What if I decide to post a job opening that only develops in Visual Basic?
 I'll post it to this list because I respect the technical acumen of the
members, and frankly, I just like most of you (or your online
personalities).  Of course, VB won't do Linux, so by developing for that
platform, my company is (oh my gosh) biasing in favor of Windows users. 
Who cares?  It's not my decision, for if it were I'd choose a
cross-platform solution.  I'm still going to post it to Ale, because I
would hopefully be helping one of you.

Alan's already stated that the majority of his company's customer base are
Windows users.  He's also stated that he doesn't make decisions regarding
the website.  He was simply trying to pass along potentially useful
information for those on the list who are scraping to make ends meet. 
That's all, nothing else.  I don't think his intention was to insult you.

Take it up with the webmaster.  Leave Alan alone.

John

Jeff Hubbs said:
> Alan -
>
> Going on the offensive against your company over this to this degree
> might not necessarily be called for, but the fact is that this is a
> Linux list and people who work with Linux and understand the Open Source
> model are also quicker than most to recognize and call out some of the
> crap that this industry has to offer, and a lot of said crap comes from
> Microsoft.
>
> Such people also tend to be particularly critical of deliberate
> standards-breaking or -hiding in IT.  Your company's Web site is an
> illustration of that on its face.  My earlier comment suggested that
> there may be a collusion between MS and Web shops, and it's a perfectly
> reasonable hypothesis; it would be in keeping with MS' history of
> predatory behavior.  Personally, I believe that it is harmful to the
> industry and to Internet users in general to push for anything other
> than standards compliance in Web browsing.  As an IT Manager, I would
> kick the butt of anyone who worked for me who let out with a comment
> like "most people run IE anyway; if that works then that's fine."  I
> would push for coding for STANDARDS-COMPLIANT BROWSERS and I would ALSO
> push for making sure that open-source browsers stay compliant as well.
> That's to say that if something's broken, find out which piece has
> deviated and work to fix the deviant piece, so, if it turns out that you
> think you're compliant on the server side but Konqueror does it wrong,
> then it's time to work with the Konqueror team to resolve the issue.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is I don't care for whoever did your Web site's
> attitude as indicated by that error page.  You can expect to catch some
> hell on their behalf when posting a message like that to a Linux list.
>
> - Jeff
>
> On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 23:23, Alan Bowman wrote:
>>
>> >So much for a Unix shop.  Must be one of the dumb Unix shops you hear
>> so much about.
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> I don't recall mentioning it was a Unix shop, only that we needed a
>> Unix support person.  Of the nearly 38,000 Dental practices that the
>> company supports, only about 800 use the Unix based software. It's the
>> legacy product, having been around since 1982. The vast majority of
>> the practices use either a Windows or Mac based software package.
>> All together, the company probably sells and supports about 20
>> different software products, of which the Unix based product is only
>> one.
>>
>>
>>  I believe that your "dumb" remark is not a fair one. You don't know
>> me,
>> or the group of people I work with. You have no knowledge of the type
>> of work we do, or of our skill levels.  The fact that the website is
>> IE specific is a valid criticism, but not one I have any control over.
>>  To say that myself and my coworkers are "dumb" because you can't
>> access the website is, well, dumb. Had you contacted me directly, I
>> would have been glad to explain any of this to you. I didn't realize
>> that I would have to justify the company's website development
>> strategy in a job posting, especially one that has nothing to do with
>> said website.
>>
>>  I find it interesting that the last two times I posted job openings
>> for
>> this exact same job to this list, no one made comments about the
>> website, or our shop being "dumb". All we got were stacks of resumes.
>> Can I take this as a sign that the economy is picking up?
>>
>> ...alan
>> --
>> Unhappy the land that needs heroes.
>>                 -- Bertolt Brecht
>>
>>
>>
>>
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