[ale] OT: H1B

[Dow Hurst]

I won't spend too much time here due to work needing to be done.

We need sensible protectionism applied here in America just as many 
other nations apply it.  Sensible, in that we put citizens jobs before a 
companies needs to save money, and that tax incentives are given to 
companies who keep their workforce here in America.  The profits made by 
shipping jobs out of the country should be made up in tariffs or whatnot.

Also, America is supposed to be a melting pot of culture that requires 
that we not be prejudiced at all.  In fact, I will go as far to say that 
the American way won't work without high personal moral and spiritual 
standards applied to how we work and live.  Our democracy has to have a 
inner moral standard within every American citizen or visitor.  There 
are just too many ways to take advantage of our system by putting 
yourself first, America second, and your neighbors last.  It is a whole 
package that won't work without that inner moral fiber to take the hit 
and not hurt your neighbor in return.  The many stories I've heard of 
companies with shady business practices, executives firing people to 
create money for raises, employees taking advantage of company time or 
resources are all examples of people not understanding or caring about 
what America is all about.  This is an open society which requires 
internal honesty, integrity, and a high personal moral standard to 
function optimally.  The more we break the law or operate in violation 
of the golden rule, the more laws we will require and the less optimal 
the economy and our society will function.

To me the current situation here in the University System in GA is a 
good example of a breakdown of standards.  We have a real severe budget 
cut throughout the University system.  So, we are cutting the fat out of 
the budget.  A truly high moral standard would require the highest paid 
or all employess to take an across the board paycut rather than have 
anyone lose their job.  Or, a truly devoted effort on all employees part 
to cut costs rather than see someone lose their job.  My example is, of 
course, sounding a little fanciful for people to take a paycut. 
 However, the reality is that maintenance across the system is where the 
cuts are being made, while highly paid suits are still making large 
salaries.  People lost their jobs in the past month, right before 
Christmas, so they don't have health insurance, no money for holiday 
cheer, and yet no paycuts on the highest paid workers in the system were 
made.  Interesting how the "brain" of the system will be self focused 
and blind to the future problems when the "body" starts to fail due to 
wear and tear?  I give the infrastructure of the University System a 
couple of years and then we will probably have some real ugly 
maintenance problems to crop up.  You can draw the analogy to the 
private sector for yourself.  My $.02,
Dow


Geoffrey wrote:

> A couple flaws in your assessment.  The first is that if all the work 
> is farmed out to h1b or overseas, then all these un-employed folks 
> will have no cash to purchase anything from these companies that are 
> saving all this money by using the cheaper labor.
>
> Secondly, there are US Citizens who are taking the jobs at the lower 
> rates in order to maintain employment.  It's unfortunate, because the 
> winners are the corporations, not the citizens, not the h1bs.
>
> Further, my personal experiences with h1b/contractors (that are of 
> chinese, indian origin is), they are poorly trained in software 
> development disciplines.  The code is terrible.  Inconsistent 
> formatting, poor logical solutions, never documented.  Just plain sloppy.
>
> This is also exacerbated by the usual lack of command of the spoken 
> language.  The code is hard to follow and you can't understand the guy 
> who wrote it.
>
> No offense, but it is apparent by your posting that English is not 
> your native tongue.  You must understand that this comes through in 
> your work as well.  For example, you use the word platic a number of 
> times in your posting.  I assume you meant plastic, but I'm not sure 
> of that.  I'm pretty sure this is not simply a typo as you did it at 
> least 3 times this way.
>
> I think you're correct, in that there is a change coming, but all 
> things are cyclic.  It's just a matter of time until we see how much 
> damage this approach does to the overall economy.
>
> ANNAREDDY,REDDY (HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am a H1B holder working in US. US has no option left except to 
>> brings H1
>> and also outsource the work. Let us see the reasons behind the argument.
>> Europe is already having good software engineering background. 
>
>
>

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