[ale] A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)

[William Young]

Well, I did a little snooping and found out that:

1) This Jacobms character is a high school student[1]

2) On his other site (www.teamgates.com) he claims that, among other
things, MicroSoft invented the mouse and GUI. The BG bio reads like North
Korean propaganda.

3) His WWW site isn't viewable with anything other than IE. 

[1] Don't say Amercan schools are so bad ;-).


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likely elsewhere) to treat technically-educated people as the social
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affecting our society --Bruce Perens


On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Dave Brooks wrote:

> ALE--
> 
> Take a look at this, it was posted on the Anti-microsoft mailing list.  I
> dont think I've sat and utterly chuckled at anything for this long
> before...
> 
> -dave
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:28:33 -0500 (EST)
> From: Lowen the sporkcrazed maniac <lowen at herring.sandwich.net>
> To: spork at 777.net
> Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)
> 
> 
> *uncontrollable snickering*
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:50:29 +0100
> From: David Hallowell <antims at cableinet.co.uk>
> Reply-To: anti_ms at enemy.org
> To: anti_ms at enemy.org
> Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil
> 
> Been busy for ages now but now as I have got more time for the Internet
> again now I thought I'd email Team Gates and ask for them to defend
> Microsoft in the Java case. Well amazingly they did reply!!! If only I
> could work out the mind of a Microsoftie.
> ::
> Jacob Munk-Stander wrote:-
> 
> Found it:
> 
> Opinion: Pure Java is Evil
> An article in today's USA Today really got me thinking, and though I'm
> expecting the Java fans in the audience to be up in arms over this, I
> have
> come to one undeniable conclusion:
> Java is evil.  Let me be more specific: "Pure Java" is evil.
> OK, that's sort of a blanket statement. But let's look at the facts.
> Kevin
> Maney writes a weekly Technology column for USA Today. This week's
> column
> focuses on the strange--but very real--parallel's between Java, the Sun
> programming language, and Communism, the failed ideology. Now, I'm not
> preaching some 1990's version of the "Red Scare" here, but as a former
> programmer and someone who is obviously very interested in the computer
> industry, I'm more than a little nervous about the popularity of Java as
> it
> is now.  Here's the reason:
> Java levels the field, making all clients--that is, systems run by
> users--
> equal. This means that a Mac owner using Java is equal to a Windows
> owner
> using Java. They are both equals to the guy running Java on his old 486
> with
> Windows 3.1. This sounds like a good thing when you hear Sun talk about
> it
> ("write once, read everywhere" or whatever the marketing-speak is this
> week)
> but the truth of the matter here is that we choose our computing systems
> very carefully and we do so for specific reasons. A person who buys a
> Mac,
> for example, might be interested in high-end desktop publishing or
> graphics
> work and may use multiple monitors. Windows users are looking for the
> best
> selection of software--be it business apps, games, or whatever--and have
> come to expect programs to look and run a certain way. Mac owners don't
> want
> their applications to look like Windows programs (witness the disaster
> known
> as Word 6.0 for the Macintosh). Likewise, Windows users don't want their
> programs to work like Mac programs (Fractal Design Painter comes to
> mind).
> Pure Java would make every system the same, or "equal."
> It must be stopped.
> Surveys have concluded that people want more speed and power out of
> their
> computers, not less. Intel could have made more advances in motherboard
> technology in the past five years, but people wanted raw speed, and to
> the
> masses, that means processor MHz. Microsoft could have componentized
> Office
> years ago, and not kept adding feature bulk, but frankly, that's what
> people asked for. Real users don't want to download light applications
> over
> the Internet to edit text, they want to have these programs locally,
> right
> on their huge hard drives. That's human nature, I guess. When I hear
> about
> upcoming 300 and 400 MHz CPUs, I want one. When I hear about little Java
> terminals, I just laugh.
> In the Java world, we're all equals. We run identical hardware and run
> the
> same small programs. The irony, of course, is that this "dream" requires
> some pretty hefty hardware on the server side and this is where Sun is
> really hoping to make some cash. You see, Sun makes servers. Big,
> industrial-strength servers. Their Java gospel is all the more insidious
> when you consider that part of their plan includes the state-run, excuse
> me, the Sun server farms that will be needed all over the world.
> There are bigger problems, though. Conformity breeds mediocrity and the
> lack of competition will be stifling. The reason Windows is so great
> today
> is that the MacOS and even OS/2 were there for years, offering up (at
> the
> time) superior technology and user interfaces. Had these products not
> existed, Microsoft would have had little incentive to improve Windows so
> dramatically. In a "Pure Java" world, there will be a similar lack of
> incentive to improve hardware and software and the free market of
> computing
> we so soundly enjoy today will be over.
> Don't let this happen.
> Now, I'm not an anti-Sun person, though I'm a little sickened by their
> attempt to out-Microsoft Microsoft. I'm also not an anti-Java person,
> though you may think I am. I am somewhat of a fan of Java. The
> programming
> language, that is. Not the NC OS. Not the "Pure Java" baloney Sun is
> preaching. Programming languages become great when they are improved for
> the sake of particular platforms. Ugly little BASIC is now the elegant
> and
> best-selling Visual Basic 5.0. Nobody really programs in ANSI C but
> Visual
> C++ is a great tool for Windows and I understand that CodeWorks has a
> similar position in the Mac world. If we could only program in ANSI C,
> Windows and the Mac would not the be the beautiful, elegant platforms
> they
> are today.  They would be ugly.  They would be wrong.
> They would be like Pure Java.
> Want more information?
>   Java program: Commie inside (USA Today)
>   http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/colmane.htm
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Jacob Munk-Stander - jacobms at teamgates.com -
> http://jacobms.teamgates.com
> 
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