[ale] A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)

[Dave Brooks]

Well, I'm a high school student, I still found this overwhelmingly
ludicrous :)

-dave


On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, William Young wrote:

> Well, I did a little snooping and found out that:
> 
> 1) This Jacobms character is a high school student[1]
> 
> 2) On his other site (www.teamgates.com) he claims that, among other
> things, MicroSoft invented the mouse and GUI. The BG bio reads like North
> Korean propaganda.
> 
> 3) His WWW site isn't viewable with anything other than IE. 
> 
> [1] Don't say Amercan schools are so bad ;-).
> 
> 
> William Young					catbert at mindspring.com| 
> There is a general social trend in English-speaking countries (and most
> likely elsewhere) to treat technically-educated people as the social
> inferiors of non-technically educated people. This is a terrible ill
> affecting our society --Bruce Perens
> 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Dave Brooks wrote:
> 
> > ALE--
> > 
> > Take a look at this, it was posted on the Anti-microsoft mailing list.  I
> > dont think I've sat and utterly chuckled at anything for this long
> > before...
> > 
> > -dave
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:28:33 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Lowen the sporkcrazed maniac <lowen at herring.sandwich.net>
> > To: spork at 777.net
> > Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)
> > 
> > 
> > *uncontrollable snickering*
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:50:29 +0100
> > From: David Hallowell <antims at cableinet.co.uk>
> > Reply-To: anti_ms at enemy.org
> > To: anti_ms at enemy.org
> > Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil
> > 
> > Been busy for ages now but now as I have got more time for the Internet
> > again now I thought I'd email Team Gates and ask for them to defend
> > Microsoft in the Java case. Well amazingly they did reply!!! If only I
> > could work out the mind of a Microsoftie.
> > ::
> > Jacob Munk-Stander wrote:-
> > 
> > Found it:
> > 
> > Opinion: Pure Java is Evil
> > An article in today's USA Today really got me thinking, and though I'm
> > expecting the Java fans in the audience to be up in arms over this, I
> > have
> > come to one undeniable conclusion:
> > Java is evil.  Let me be more specific: "Pure Java" is evil.
> > OK, that's sort of a blanket statement. But let's look at the facts.
> > Kevin
> > Maney writes a weekly Technology column for USA Today. This week's
> > column
> > focuses on the strange--but very real--parallel's between Java, the Sun
> > programming language, and Communism, the failed ideology. Now, I'm not
> > preaching some 1990's version of the "Red Scare" here, but as a former
> > programmer and someone who is obviously very interested in the computer
> > industry, I'm more than a little nervous about the popularity of Java as
> > it
> > is now.  Here's the reason:
> > Java levels the field, making all clients--that is, systems run by
> > users--
> > equal. This means that a Mac owner using Java is equal to a Windows
> > owner
> > using Java. They are both equals to the guy running Java on his old 486
> > with
> > Windows 3.1. This sounds like a good thing when you hear Sun talk about
> > it
> > ("write once, read everywhere" or whatever the marketing-speak is this
> > week)
> > but the truth of the matter here is that we choose our computing systems
> > very carefully and we do so for specific reasons. A person who buys a
> > Mac,
> > for example, might be interested in high-end desktop publishing or
> > graphics
> > work and may use multiple monitors. Windows users are looking for the
> > best
> > selection of software--be it business apps, games, or whatever--and have
> > come to expect programs to look and run a certain way. Mac owners don't
> > want
> > their applications to look like Windows programs (witness the disaster
> > known
> > as Word 6.0 for the Macintosh). Likewise, Windows users don't want their
> > programs to work like Mac programs (Fractal Design Painter comes to
> > mind).
> > Pure Java would make every system the same, or "equal."
> > It must be stopped.
> > Surveys have concluded that people want more speed and power out of
> > their
> > computers, not less. Intel could have made more advances in motherboard
> > technology in the past five years, but people wanted raw speed, and to
> > the
> > masses, that means processor MHz. Microsoft could have componentized
> > Office
> > years ago, and not kept adding feature bulk, but frankly, that's what
> > people asked for. Real users don't want to download light applications
> > over
> > the Internet to edit text, they want to have these programs locally,
> > right
> > on their huge hard drives. That's human nature, I guess. When I hear
> > about
> > upcoming 300 and 400 MHz CPUs, I want one. When I hear about little Java
> > terminals, I just laugh.
> > In the Java world, we're all equals. We run identical hardware and run
> > the
> > same small programs. The irony, of course, is that this "dream" requires
> > some pretty hefty hardware on the server side and this is where Sun is
> > really hoping to make some cash. You see, Sun makes servers. Big,
> > industrial-strength servers. Their Java gospel is all the more insidious
> > when you consider that part of their plan includes the state-run, excuse
> > me, the Sun server farms that will be needed all over the world.
> > There are bigger problems, though. Conformity breeds mediocrity and the
> > lack of competition will be stifling. The reason Windows is so great
> > today
> > is that the MacOS and even OS/2 were there for years, offering up (at
> > the
> > time) superior technology and user interfaces. Had these products not
> > existed, Microsoft would have had little incentive to improve Windows so
> > dramatically. In a "Pure Java" world, there will be a similar lack of
> > incentive to improve hardware and software and the free market of
> > computing
> > we so soundly enjoy today will be over.
> > Don't let this happen.
> > Now, I'm not an anti-Sun person, though I'm a little sickened by their
> > attempt to out-Microsoft Microsoft. I'm also not an anti-Java person,
> > though you may think I am. I am somewhat of a fan of Java. The
> > programming
> > language, that is. Not the NC OS. Not the "Pure Java" baloney Sun is
> > preaching. Programming languages become great when they are improved for
> > the sake of particular platforms. Ugly little BASIC is now the elegant
> > and
> > best-selling Visual Basic 5.0. Nobody really programs in ANSI C but
> > Visual
> > C++ is a great tool for Windows and I understand that CodeWorks has a
> > similar position in the Mac world. If we could only program in ANSI C,
> > Windows and the Mac would not the be the beautiful, elegant platforms
> > they
> > are today.  They would be ugly.  They would be wrong.
> > They would be like Pure Java.
> > Want more information?
> >   Java program: Commie inside (USA Today)
> >   http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/colmane.htm
> > 
> > Yours sincerely,
> > Jacob Munk-Stander - jacobms at teamgates.com -
> > http://jacobms.teamgates.com
> > 
> > ClubIE Team 3
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Official Microsoft beta tester
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