[ale] A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)

[Dave Brooks]

ALE--

Take a look at this, it was posted on the Anti-microsoft mailing list.  I
dont think I've sat and utterly chuckled at anything for this long
before...

-dave
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:28:33 -0500 (EST)
 From: Lowen the sporkcrazed maniac <lowen at herring.sandwich.net>
To: spork at 777.net
Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil (fwd)


*uncontrollable snickering*

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:50:29 +0100
 From: David Hallowell <antims at cableinet.co.uk>
Reply-To: anti_ms at enemy.org
To: anti_ms at enemy.org
Subject: A-M$: A reply from Team Gates!! Pure Java is evil

Been busy for ages now but now as I have got more time for the Internet
again now I thought I'd email Team Gates and ask for them to defend
Microsoft in the Java case. Well amazingly they did reply!!! If only I
could work out the mind of a Microsoftie.
::
Jacob Munk-Stander wrote:-

Found it:

Opinion: Pure Java is Evil
An article in today's USA Today really got me thinking, and though I'm
expecting the Java fans in the audience to be up in arms over this, I
have
come to one undeniable conclusion:
Java is evil.  Let me be more specific: "Pure Java" is evil.
OK, that's sort of a blanket statement. But let's look at the facts.
Kevin
Maney writes a weekly Technology column for USA Today. This week's
column
focuses on the strange--but very real--parallel's between Java, the Sun
programming language, and Communism, the failed ideology. Now, I'm not
preaching some 1990's version of the "Red Scare" here, but as a former
programmer and someone who is obviously very interested in the computer
industry, I'm more than a little nervous about the popularity of Java as
it
is now.  Here's the reason:
Java levels the field, making all clients--that is, systems run by
users--
equal. This means that a Mac owner using Java is equal to a Windows
owner
using Java. They are both equals to the guy running Java on his old 486
with
Windows 3.1. This sounds like a good thing when you hear Sun talk about
it
("write once, read everywhere" or whatever the marketing-speak is this
week)
but the truth of the matter here is that we choose our computing systems
very carefully and we do so for specific reasons. A person who buys a
Mac,
for example, might be interested in high-end desktop publishing or
graphics
work and may use multiple monitors. Windows users are looking for the
best
selection of software--be it business apps, games, or whatever--and have
come to expect programs to look and run a certain way. Mac owners don't
want
their applications to look like Windows programs (witness the disaster
known
as Word 6.0 for the Macintosh). Likewise, Windows users don't want their
programs to work like Mac programs (Fractal Design Painter comes to
mind).
Pure Java would make every system the same, or "equal."
It must be stopped.
Surveys have concluded that people want more speed and power out of
their
computers, not less. Intel could have made more advances in motherboard
technology in the past five years, but people wanted raw speed, and to
the
masses, that means processor MHz. Microsoft could have componentized
Office
years ago, and not kept adding feature bulk, but frankly, that's what
people asked for. Real users don't want to download light applications
over
the Internet to edit text, they want to have these programs locally,
right
on their huge hard drives. That's human nature, I guess. When I hear
about
upcoming 300 and 400 MHz CPUs, I want one. When I hear about little Java
terminals, I just laugh.
In the Java world, we're all equals. We run identical hardware and run
the
same small programs. The irony, of course, is that this "dream" requires
some pretty hefty hardware on the server side and this is where Sun is
really hoping to make some cash. You see, Sun makes servers. Big,
industrial-strength servers. Their Java gospel is all the more insidious
when you consider that part of their plan includes the state-run, excuse
me, the Sun server farms that will be needed all over the world.
There are bigger problems, though. Conformity breeds mediocrity and the
lack of competition will be stifling. The reason Windows is so great
today
is that the MacOS and even OS/2 were there for years, offering up (at
the
time) superior technology and user interfaces. Had these products not
existed, Microsoft would have had little incentive to improve Windows so
dramatically. In a "Pure Java" world, there will be a similar lack of
incentive to improve hardware and software and the free market of
computing
we so soundly enjoy today will be over.
Don't let this happen.
Now, I'm not an anti-Sun person, though I'm a little sickened by their
attempt to out-Microsoft Microsoft. I'm also not an anti-Java person,
though you may think I am. I am somewhat of a fan of Java. The
programming
language, that is. Not the NC OS. Not the "Pure Java" baloney Sun is
preaching. Programming languages become great when they are improved for
the sake of particular platforms. Ugly little BASIC is now the elegant
and
best-selling Visual Basic 5.0. Nobody really programs in ANSI C but
Visual
C++ is a great tool for Windows and I understand that CodeWorks has a
similar position in the Mac world. If we could only program in ANSI C,
Windows and the Mac would not the be the beautiful, elegant platforms
they
are today.  They would be ugly.  They would be wrong.
They would be like Pure Java.
Want more information?
  Java program: Commie inside (USA Today)
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/colmane.htm

Yours sincerely,
Jacob Munk-Stander - jacobms at teamgates.com -
http://jacobms.teamgates.com

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