[ale] Print vs electronic: Was: Remove systemd network handling
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Wed Sep 29 08:17:17 EDT 2021
I found a vim plugin that added the closing tag as I started the open one.
On September 28, 2021 10:21:40 PM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>Did you type all those open and close tags in Vim, or did you use some
>sort of Vim plugin to make the work easier?
>
>Jim Kinney via Ale said on Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:27:39 -0400
>
>>Vim.
>>
>>On September 28, 2021 1:36:55 AM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale <ale at ale.org>
>>wrote:
>>>Did you use Emacs to author the docbook, or some other tool?
>>>
>>>SteveT
>>>
>>>Jim Kinney said on Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:36:09 -0400
>>>
>>>>I did some writing in docbook. It had screen captures, diagrams,
>etc.
>>>>From there it ran through publican to output very nice html and/or
>>>>odf. There was a dtd it used for formatting. Even had a vim addon
>for
>>>>automatically adding opening and closing tags. That's how Red Hat
>>>>does/did their online docs. May have changed in the past 5-10 years.
>>>>
>>>>On September 27, 2021 5:53:42 PM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale
>>>><ale at ale.org> wrote:
>>>>>Good information Liam, thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, I carried 1st edition "The C Programming Language" by K&R, in
>>>>>
>>>my
>>>>>backpack, for about 10 years, kept taping it up as it fell apart,
>>>>>and finally it just shredded and I bought the 2nd edition.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll carry a $20.00 book to the beach, and if somebody rips it off
>>>>>or it gets sand or water on it, oh well. I couldn't say the same
>>>>>thing for a $400.00, 8x10" reading device, which is how big you'd
>>>>>need to make it to even hope that the graphic and the text
>>>>>referencing it are on the same page.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm writing a diagram-heavy book right now, to be sold as a 3"x5"
>>>>>PDF, and entire pages are consumed by a single diagram. I wonder
>if,
>>>>>for every order, I should produce an additional 8.5"x11" copy.
>>>>>
>>>>>The obvious solution, ePub, is impractical right now because LyX
>>>>>outputs atrocious HTML and therefore atrocious ePub, and I haven't
>>>>>yet found a tool chain good enough to write the kinds of books I
>>>>>write, output to ePub. But this could change.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for your input.
>>>>>
>>>>>SteveT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Leam Hall via Ale said on Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:07:24 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>>For me it's more choice than issue. I mostly read technical books,
>>>>>>and have to flip back and forth between the graphic description
>and
>>>>>>the text. Harder to do with an ereader. With fiction I get through
>>>>>>a page fairly quickly, though I'm by no means super fast. Reading
>>>>>>on
>>>my
>>>>>>computer is less desirable; my office is always the warmest room
>in
>>>>>>the house, and I haven't talked myself into a comfortable chair
>>>>>>yet. Since I spend most of the day here, being elsewhere is a nice
>>>>>>break. I can sit in the living room with a book, and not have to
>>>>>>stare at a screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is kind of funny, since the few books I've published are
>>>ebooks
>>>>>>only. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Leam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 9/25/21 5:18 PM, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:
>>>>>>> Uh, I swap foreground/background colors to show white text on a
>>>>>>> black background, for decades. MUCH EASIER on the eyes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I've aged I increase font size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 04:09:48PM -0400, Steve Litt via Ale
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leam Hall via Ale said on Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:36:18 -0500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/21 6:10 PM, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And who in 2021 would write a document on printed
>>>>>>>>>> paper?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SteveT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *raises hand slowly*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Easier on my old eyes, and I read fast enough that a kindle
>>>slows
>>>>>>>>> me down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeahhh, for the most part the dead trees argument was sparring
>>>>>>>> between two guys with a very different view of the world, and
>>>>>>>> can safely be ignored. But because one of the things I do for a
>>>>>>>>
>>>living
>>>>>>>> is write, produce and publish books, I'm very interested in
>your
>>>>>>>> preceding sentence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds to me like printed documents are actually easier on
>>>your
>>>>>>>> eyes, I presume giving you less eye strain, headaches, etc. Is
>>>>>>>> this because of the glaring white background, or some other
>>>>>>>> reason? If the glaring white background, do your devices give
>>>>>>>> you the option of using a light tan background? Does that help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people (like me) have no choice but to read electronic
>>>>>>>> docs, because we can't comfortably focus on anything less than
>>>>>>>> 15 point.
>>>>>A
>>>>>>>> normal paperback printed in a font I can read would be five or
>
>>>six
>>>>>>>> inches thick, whereas on a device I can crank it up to clock
>>>>>>>> face type size and read comfortably. Does your eyesight
>>>>>>>> restrict the font size you can read?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you one of those people able to read line by line instead
>of
>>>>>>>> word by word? If so, I can well imagine that five or six words
>
>>>per
>>>>>>>> line would slow you down. On mobile devices, have you tried
>>>>>>>> turning the device landscape so you get longer lines? Of
>course,
>>>>>>>> doing so means you have to page down much too often, and that
>>>>>>>> would slow you down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you ever consider reading on your computer monitor? Doing so
>>>>>>>> would solve the words per line and lines per page problems, but
>>>>>>>> would eliminate the portability most people require.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't go back to printing my books; it's economically
>>>infeasible
>>>>>>>> now that I have to compete with PDF and ePub books. But I *can*
>>>>>>>> work to bring the benefits of printed books to my PDFs and
>>>>>>>> ePubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SteveT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve Litt
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