[ale] Fwd: Voting machines

Tue Dec 15 20:06:55 EST 2020

Well said Jim.
Doug.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> There was a point in time years back when national politics bled into ALE.
> During that election cycle the membership plummeted as a few die hards
> would pound the keyboards and foment ire. It was unpleasant to watch, read,
> and eventually moderate with no mercy.
>
> I pay a stupid amount of money right now to keep the ale.org server
> online. I will TURN IT OFF if I see ANY discussion of any election that
> extends beyond how Linux systems could help or hinder voting. I hope
> everyone eligible to vote does so in a respectful manner so they can also
> get called up for jury duty.
>
> The feces can become ambulatory and reside elsewhere.
>
>
> On December 15, 2020 8:38:36 AM EST, "Edward O. Holcroft via Ale" <
> ale at ale.org> wrote:
>>
>> Delusional. Take your shit somewhere else.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:07 PM Bob Toxen via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Solomon Peachy wrote:
>>> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:55:23PM -0500, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:
>>> > > This is done in Florida, where I voted for the first time in
>>> November.
>>>
>>> > I've been voting in FL since 2002, in four different counties.
>>>
>>> > > Each voter watches the counting machine process.  Maybe even have it
>>> > > print out a receipt showing who was voted for the voter to take home.
>>> > > Paper ballots should be kept by county for 1-5 years and are the
>>> official
>>> > > record in case recount or audit.
>>>
>>> > Reciepts mean nothing; if the machine "lies" in what it counts then it
>>> > can lie on the reciept too.
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> > Only the actual ballot matters.
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> > > Each ballot is sequentially numbered with a digital signature on the
>>> > > ballot that is verified by the scanner.  It is tracked which numbered
>>> > > ballots went to each precinct and verified during scanning.  That
>>> numbered
>>> > > ballot should be tracked at each point
>>>
>>> > I don't recall if there is a unique number printed on the actual
>>> ballot
>>> > itself, but the ballot books are definitely numbered and tracked to
>>> the
>>> > precinct.  Spoiled ballots are accounted for, and "used ballots" must
>>> > equal "counted+spoiled ballots"; also the number of counted ballots
>>> must
>>> > match the number of folks who checked into the precinct.  Once the
>>> > ballot goes into the box, it cannot be removed by the local poll
>>> > workers, and at every step where the ballots (and boxes) are handled,
>>> > multiple observers are present.
>>>
>>> > > This prevents bogus ballots from being injected, which appears to
>>> have
>>> > > happened in the November election.
>>>
>>> > [Citation needed]
>>>
>>> > > Obviously track when voter votes, either in person or by mail, to
>>> prevent
>>> > > multiple voting.
>>>
>>> > This is already done.
>>> Great.  Florida voting seems much more secure than Georgia!
>>>
>>> > > Of course check for a voter voting in multiple precents in a state
>>>
>>> > Registration in FL is statewide, and at time of voting your name is
>>> > checked against the list of folks registered for that precinct.  Not
>>> on
>>> > the list?  Provisional ballot for you, providing you show the required
>>> > documentation showing you are legally allowed to vote in that precinct.
>>> Good.
>>>
>>> > > Spot checking of paper ballots vs machine counts to detect flaky or
>>> > > hacked scanners.
>>>
>>> > Already the case.
>>> Good.
>>>
>>> > > Picture state or Federal government ID must be provided for
>>> registration
>>> > > or in person voting or copy of same (or similar solution) for mail-in
>>> > > ballots.  Much fraud here.
>>>
>>> > Already the case.  Oh, and [citation needed].
>>> Yes, in Florida and Georgia for in person voting.
>>>
>>> > > Of course match the voter's voting signature (sign in at poll or
>>> outer
>>> > > envelope if mail-in.)  Apparently LOTS of fraud here in November.
>>>
>>> > Already the case.  (FFS, the last two elections I had to re-sign my
>>> name
>>> > multiple times to make the poll workers happy)
>>> Not in Georgia.  Essentially zero signature matching.
>>>
>>> > Oh, and [citation needed].
>>>
>>> > > Claims of voter suppression here is a damn lie.
>>>
>>> > Once again, [citation needed].
>>> I'll stop here as too far off this topic.
>>>
>>> > > Sadly massive voter fraud appears to have happened in November but
>>> not
>>> > > due to hacked machines.
>>>
>>> > [citation needed] -- especially as there are now what, 50 court losses
>>> > where they utterly failed to present *any* evidence of fraud, massive
>>> or
>>> > otherwise?
>>> Correction: judges refused to consider the cases and refused to look at
>>> any
>>> of the massive evidence.  Why they refused to look, frankly, is a mystery
>>> to me but again off topic.
>>>
>>> > (It's funny how being under oath causes one to change their story)
>>> Yup.  Hundreds of affidavits affirming illegal ballot counting and
>>> shocking video of very likely illegal fraudulent counting in
>>> Fulton County, GA.
>>>
>>> > > Disagreements to /dev/null please.
>>>
>>> > In other words, where this drivel should have gone to begin with.
>>> YMMV.
>>>
>>> > If you don't want to be called out, don't post BS in a public forum.
>>> YMMV.
>>>
>>> >  - Solomon
>>> > --
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