[ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to run?
Derek Atkins
derek at ihtfp.com
Tue Sep 12 11:09:20 EDT 2017
Kyle,
Thanks for the info. I must applogize to you -- I read your reply
before seeing the one to which you were replying.
The cameras I plan to get require 12W each (well, the power supply they
come with is a 12V 1A power supply -- so I'm ASSUMING that it will want
to draw 12W from PoE). This means that the 250W swich can only support
20 cameras (which *MAY* be sufficient). So that would certainly save
~$200 versus the -500W version. On the other hand part of that 250W
probably needs to power the router itself, so it's probably fewer
cameras than that. So I might still need to go to the 500W version for
$523.
The Cisco you list below only has 12 PoE ports, which isn't sufficient.
Question: What is the difference between the UniFi Switch and the
EdgeSwitch?
-derek
Kyle Brieden <kyle at txmoose.com> writes:
> I suppose I could have been more clear. I was not so much
> recommending the specific gear I have as I was recommending Ubiquiti
> as a brand, and noting the gear that I have as anecdotal evidence to
> support my recommendation. If you've already got high enough density
> switching infrastructure, don't change it for sake of having all your
> gear be the same brand. Network gear is network gear, and it all
> plays nice together... more or less, anyway. But Ubiquiti gear is, in
> my experience, far less expensive than comparably featured, supported,
> and classed gear from damn near any other manufacturer.
>
>
> 24 port managed PoE - $365 -
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/B00OJZUQ24/
> 24 port managed PoE - $385 -
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeSwitch-ES-24-250W-24-Ports-Managed/dp/B00LV8Z2V2/
> 24 port managed PoE - $305 -
> https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-26P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-SLM2024PT/dp/B004GHMU5Q/
> 24 port managed - $215 -
> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GS724Tv4-24-Port-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00I5W5EGA/
> 24 port managed - $193 -
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-24-Unifi-Switch/dp/B01LZBLO0U/
> 24 port managed - $185 -
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Edgeswitch-Gigabit-ES-24-LITE/dp/B013Z21ZJE/
>
> There's lots of range and options, I was simply saying that I
> recommend Ubiquiti. Their support is incredibly helpful and
> knowledgeable (in my experience with them), their gear is high quality
> and easy to deploy, and I've been happy with the products I've
> purchased to date.
>
> ---
> Very respectfully,
> Kyle Brieden
>
> On 11-09-2017 15:30, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Yes, I know the US-24-500W is a 24-port switch. Kyle recommended an
>> 8-port, which doesn't help me.
>>
>> The PoE switch is, as I just said, for my PoE IP Camera network. My
>> main
>> network is separate. I cannot leverage any open ports on this
>> switch for
>> my main network (and I doubt the IP cameras suppose VLANs).
>>
>> I've already got a Cisco SG200-50 for my main switch. For the few
>> additional PoE devices I have (currently: 2) I can just use standard
>> PoE
>> power injectors. They cost $17 each, which is much less than the
>> additional cost of a PoE capable switch. So if I need to add a
>> second AP,
>> I'll happily pay another $17 vs having to spend an additional
>> $100-200 for
>> a (second) PoE-capable switch.
>>
>> I would also prefer to limit the number of switches if I can to
>> limit the
>> required cross-connects (which of course become bottlenecks).
>>
>> -derek
>>
>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 3:16 pm, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>> That's a 24-port 1G PoE switch. It provides power to 24 downstream
>>> devices like phones, small switches and with some hacking, systems.
>>> That particular switch is pretty useful for being a gateway switch for
>>> other Ubiquiti WAPs (most all run on PoE).
>>> I have this for home wireless:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO
>>> -US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505157073&sr=1-
>>> 1&keywords=ubiquiti%2BWAP&th=1
>>> Due to a large, sheetmetal duct in the center of the house between
>>> floors, there's a shadow in coverage that's not good. That $130 is a
>>> low cost way to slap a second unit in the ceiling on the top floor to
>>> fill in that shadow.
>>> Just search Amazon for Ubiquiti. Lots of toys at very good prices.
>>> On Mon, 2017-09-11 at 14:58 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>>> Kyle,
>>>>
>>>> The Unifi US-24-500W is $523 on Amazon. How is that
>>>> "inexpensive"? I
>>>> said I needed 16-24 ports, so not sure how an 8-port helps me. I do
>>>> admit
>>>> I didn't specify "rackmount" in my OP -- Mea Culpa. But I'd rather
>>>> find
>>>> something more in the $200 range for that purpose (a physically
>>>> private
>>>> network of IP security cameras).
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I do have an Edgerouter for my main router, which replaced my
>>>> Routerboard because the RB750 couldn't keep up with my Gigapower
>>>> network.
>>>> I mostly like it.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly I kind of like my DAP-2660 AC1200 AP and see little reason
>>>> to
>>>> switch. It's worked quite well for me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -derek
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 2:36 pm, Kyle Brieden wrote:
>>>> > EdgeOS, and absolutely LOVE my ubiquity gear. I got the Unifi 8
>>>> > port
>>>> > PoE switch, Unifi Security Gateway, and the WAP that support
>>>> > 802.11ac.
>>>> > It has literally changed my home networking. Can't recommend it
>>>> > enough.
>>>> > I got all 3 of those seriously high grade boxes for about the
>>>> > same
>>>> > price you pay for a consumer router that supports 802.11ac.
>>>> >
>>>> > HIGHLY recommend.
>>>> >
>>>> > +1
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ---
>>>> > Very respectfully,
>>>> > Kyle Brieden
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11-09-2017 11:19, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>> > > On September 11, 2017 10:04:42 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.
>>>> > > com>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > > > Jim,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Mon, September 11, 2017 9:51 am, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>> > > > > 10G multimode with lc connectors.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > is it "easy" to build these? Are there LC connector keystone
>>>> > > > jacks
>>>> > > > available?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Unless you _really_ are forward looking and install 100G.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > OM3 fiber looks like it will get to 40/100G
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Otherwise install conduit and spare pull strings. That really
>>>> > > > > future-proofs an install.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I would plan for a 1" conduit with a single cat6, one rg6,
>>>> > > > > one low
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > voltage
>>>> > > > > line (music) and a pull string.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I'm not sure this is REALLY an option for me.I feel it is
>>>> > > > certainly a
>>>> > > > more
>>>> > > > expensive option vs just running a bunch of cables now.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Spend money on a distribution center that all these lines
>>>> > > > > start from.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Good
>>>> > > > > 10G switch, powered cable splitter, good remote adjustable
>>>> > > > > amp for
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > music
>>>> > > > > control.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Yes. My current house has a 96-port RJ45 patch panel (2/3
>>>> > > > full). I
>>>> > > > would
>>>> > > > definitely repeat that. Similar with audio -- I've got a 6-
>>>> > > > zone amp
>>>> > > > (although I dont think my current one is remotely adjustable --
>>>> > > > but I
>>>> > > > just
>>>> > > > adjust via iTunes).
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I'm still researching TV/HDMI distribution systems....
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Oh, and trying to find a good 16-24-port PoE (10/)100/1000
>>>> > > > switch.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Look at Ubiquity. They have a selection of PoE switches in
>>>> > > various
>>>> > > port counts and rather affordable pricing. I've got a WAP and a
>>>> > > 16
>>>> > > port 10G switch from them. Pretty happy with both. Control
>>>> > > software is
>>>> > > closed source. Hardware looks like it may run the open switch
>>>> > > software
>>>> > > whose name escapes me.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > -derek
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > On September 11, 2017 9:33:47 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek at iht
>>>> > > > > fp.com>
>>>> > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > Hi Alers,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > If you had the ability to future-proof your house (imagine
>>>> > > > > > open
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > studs,
>>>> > > > > > so you could run anything you wanted), what would you
>>>> > > > > > run. Assume a
>>>> > > > > > max
>>>> > > > > > of 6 cables per drop?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Last time I ran 4x Cat6A and 2x RG6. However I'm never
>>>> > > > > > using both
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > RG6
>>>> > > > > > F-connectors, so I figured I could replace that with
>>>> > > > > > something else.
>>>> > > > > > And before you ask, yes, I *AM* using all 4 RJ45 connectors
>>>> > > > > > in some
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > of
>>>> > > > > > my drops (and in one place I wish I had MORE Rj45). So,
>>>> > > > > > what else
>>>> > > > > > should I run?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > My current theory is 4x Cat6A, 1x RG6, and 1x Fiber.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > However I'm not sure what kind of "fiber" to run, nor what
>>>> > > > > > kind of
>>>> > > > > > connector I should use.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Any suggestions or recommendations?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > -derek
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > --
>>>> > > > > > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
>>>> > > > > > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
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