[ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to run?

Kyle Brieden kyle at txmoose.com
Tue Sep 12 09:39:40 EDT 2017


I suppose I could have been more clear.  I was not so much recommending 
the specific gear I have as I was recommending Ubiquiti as a brand, and 
noting the gear that I have as anecdotal evidence to support my 
recommendation.  If you've already got high enough density switching 
infrastructure, don't change it for sake of having all your gear be the 
same brand.  Network gear is network gear, and it all plays nice 
together... more or less, anyway.  But Ubiquiti gear is, in my 
experience, far less expensive than comparably featured, supported, and 
classed gear from damn near any other manufacturer.


24 port managed PoE - $365 - 
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/B00OJZUQ24/
24 port managed PoE - $385 - 
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeSwitch-ES-24-250W-24-Ports-Managed/dp/B00LV8Z2V2/
24 port managed PoE - $305 - 
https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-26P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-SLM2024PT/dp/B004GHMU5Q/
24 port managed - $215 - 
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GS724Tv4-24-Port-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00I5W5EGA/
24 port managed - $193 - 
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-24-Unifi-Switch/dp/B01LZBLO0U/
24 port managed - $185 - 
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Edgeswitch-Gigabit-ES-24-LITE/dp/B013Z21ZJE/

There's lots of range and options, I was simply saying that I recommend 
Ubiquiti.  Their support is incredibly helpful and knowledgeable (in my 
experience with them), their gear is high quality and easy to deploy, 
and I've been happy with the products I've purchased to date.

---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

On 11-09-2017 15:30, Derek Atkins wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Yes, I know the US-24-500W is a 24-port switch.  Kyle recommended an
> 8-port, which doesn't help me.
> 
> The PoE switch is, as I just said, for my PoE IP Camera network.  My 
> main
> network is separate.  I cannot leverage any open ports on this switch 
> for
> my main network (and I doubt the IP cameras suppose VLANs).
> 
> I've already got a Cisco SG200-50 for my main switch.  For the few
> additional PoE devices I have (currently: 2) I can just use standard 
> PoE
> power injectors.  They cost $17 each, which is much less than the
> additional cost of a PoE capable switch.  So if I need to add a second 
> AP,
> I'll happily pay another $17 vs having to spend an additional $100-200 
> for
> a (second) PoE-capable switch.
> 
> I would also prefer to limit the number of switches if I can to limit 
> the
> required cross-connects (which of course become bottlenecks).
> 
> -derek
> 
> On Mon, September 11, 2017 3:16 pm, Jim Kinney wrote:
>> That's a 24-port 1G PoE switch. It provides power to 24 downstream
>> devices like phones, small switches and with some hacking, systems.
>> That particular switch is pretty useful for being a gateway switch for
>> other Ubiquiti WAPs (most all run on PoE).
>> I have this for home wireless:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO
>> -US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505157073&sr=1-
>> 1&keywords=ubiquiti%2BWAP&th=1
>> Due to a large, sheetmetal duct in the center of the house between
>> floors, there's a shadow in coverage that's not good. That $130 is a
>> low cost way to slap a second unit in the ceiling on the top floor to
>> fill in that shadow.
>> Just search Amazon for Ubiquiti. Lots of toys at very good prices.
>> On Mon, 2017-09-11 at 14:58 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>> Kyle,
>>> 
>>> The Unifi US-24-500W is $523 on Amazon.  How is that
>>> "inexpensive"?  I
>>> said I needed 16-24 ports, so not sure how an 8-port helps me.  I do
>>> admit
>>> I didn't specify "rackmount" in my OP -- Mea Culpa.  But I'd rather
>>> find
>>> something more in the $200 range for that purpose (a physically
>>> private
>>> network of IP security cameras).
>>> 
>>> Yes, I do have an Edgerouter for my main router, which replaced my
>>> Routerboard because the RB750 couldn't keep up with my Gigapower
>>> network.
>>> I mostly like it.
>>> 
>>> Honestly I kind of like my DAP-2660 AC1200 AP and see little reason
>>> to
>>> switch.  It's worked quite well for me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -derek
>>> 
>>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 2:36 pm, Kyle Brieden wrote:
>>> > EdgeOS, and absolutely LOVE my ubiquity gear.  I  got the Unifi 8
>>> > port
>>> > PoE switch, Unifi Security Gateway, and the WAP that support
>>> > 802.11ac.
>>> > It has literally changed my home networking.  Can't recommend it
>>> > enough.
>>> >   I got all 3 of those seriously high grade boxes for about the
>>> > same
>>> > price you pay for a consumer router that supports 802.11ac.
>>> >
>>> > HIGHLY recommend.
>>> >
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > Very respectfully,
>>> > Kyle Brieden
>>> >
>>> > On 11-09-2017 11:19, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>> > > On September 11, 2017 10:04:42 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.
>>> > > com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > Jim,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Mon, September 11, 2017 9:51 am, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>> > > > > 10G multimode with lc connectors.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > is it "easy" to build these?  Are there LC connector keystone
>>> > > > jacks
>>> > > > available?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Unless you _really_ are forward looking and install 100G.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > OM3 fiber looks like it will get to 40/100G
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Otherwise install conduit and spare pull strings. That really
>>> > > > > future-proofs an install.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I would plan for a 1" conduit with a single cat6, one rg6,
>>> > > > > one low
>>> > > >
>>> > > > voltage
>>> > > > > line (music) and a pull string.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm not sure this is REALLY an option for me.I feel it is
>>> > > > certainly a
>>> > > > more
>>> > > > expensive option vs just running a bunch of cables now.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Spend money on a distribution center that all these lines
>>> > > > > start from.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Good
>>> > > > > 10G switch, powered cable splitter, good remote adjustable
>>> > > > > amp for
>>> > > >
>>> > > > music
>>> > > > > control.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Yes.  My current house has a 96-port RJ45 patch panel (2/3
>>> > > > full).  I
>>> > > > would
>>> > > > definitely repeat that.  Similar with audio -- I've got a 6-
>>> > > > zone amp
>>> > > > (although I dont think my current one is remotely adjustable --
>>> > > > but I
>>> > > > just
>>> > > > adjust via iTunes).
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm still researching TV/HDMI distribution systems....
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Oh, and trying to find a good 16-24-port PoE (10/)100/1000
>>> > > > switch.
>>> > >
>>> > > Look at Ubiquity. They have a selection of PoE switches in
>>> > > various
>>> > > port counts and rather affordable pricing. I've got a WAP and a
>>> > > 16
>>> > > port 10G switch from them. Pretty happy with both. Control
>>> > > software is
>>> > > closed source. Hardware looks like it may run the open switch
>>> > > software
>>> > > whose name escapes me.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > -derek
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > On September 11, 2017 9:33:47 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek at iht
>>> > > > > fp.com>
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > Hi Alers,
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > If you had the ability to future-proof your house (imagine
>>> > > > > > open
>>> > > >
>>> > > > studs,
>>> > > > > > so you could run anything you wanted), what would you
>>> > > > > > run.  Assume a
>>> > > > > > max
>>> > > > > > of 6 cables per drop?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Last time I ran 4x Cat6A and 2x RG6.  However I'm never
>>> > > > > > using both
>>> > > >
>>> > > > RG6
>>> > > > > > F-connectors, so I figured I could replace that with
>>> > > > > > something else.
>>> > > > > > And before you ask, yes, I *AM* using all 4 RJ45 connectors
>>> > > > > > in some
>>> > > >
>>> > > > of
>>> > > > > > my drops (and in one place I wish I had MORE Rj45).  So,
>>> > > > > > what else
>>> > > > > > should I run?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > My current theory is 4x Cat6A, 1x RG6, and 1x Fiber.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > However I'm not sure what kind of "fiber" to run, nor what
>>> > > > > > kind of
>>> > > > > > connector I should use.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Any suggestions or recommendations?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > -derek
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > --
>>> > > > > >       Derek Atkins                 617-623-3745
>>> > > > > >       derek at ihtfp.com             www.ihtfp.com
>>> > > > > >       Computer and Internet Security Consultant
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