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Sun Mar 8 13:15:06 EDT 2015

This isn't about TV. It's about internet access. TV is just another digital
stream on the internet.
 On Mar 8, 2015 12:19 PM, "Damon L. Chesser" <damon at damtek.com> wrote:

>  Like the other poster, I don't see a monopoly.  I jump from comcast to
> AT at T as it suites me.  I could go dish if I want.  You can go digital TV
> over the air with a very minimal investment for 100% free delivery.  Of
> course, I don't subscribe to ANYBODIES tv content, only Internet service.
> But seeing as how  you can watch so much junk on the Internet, via smart
> TVs, via providers like Crackle, HBO, Hulu, etc, where is the monopoly?
>
> Does not Comcast have a right to say who will use their circuit and for
> how much?  And your contract with Hulu has nothing to do with Hulo's
> contract with Comcast.  Don't like them?  Dump them.  Here is a news
> flash:  Cable TV is a dying bread as more and more people cut the wire.
>
> As more and more people cut the wire, the costs keep getting added to the
> less and less and the profits are actually rising with a decreasing
> subscriber base.  It's crazy.  smaller and smaller groups say they "NEED"
> the tv cable and there is  no way around it.  News flash:  stop watching
> cable TV and the need for paying for less goes away.  NO federal law
> required.  No dualopoly, or "open market" required.  People just are not
> using cable any more and the market is going away.
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-03-19/u-s-pay-tv-subscriptions-fall-for-first-time-as-streaming-gains
>
> and I totally fail to see how separating out "content providers" from
> "creators" would do anything other than make it more expensive to "create
> content".
>
> If you don't like them, don't pay for them.  That is what I do and it is
> working quite well, for me.  I only pay for Internet service and I jump
> ship at the tiniest provocation on to the next provider.
>
>
> On 03/08/2015 10:57 AM, Pete Hardie wrote:
>
>  Comcast being ISP and content creator is part of the problem.  They will
> prioritize their content over someone else's ,and since they have a
> monopoly on delivery, it is de facto unfair
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Byron Jeff <byronjeff at mail.clayton.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 07:41:27AM -0400, DJ-Pfulio wrote:
>> > I lived in Houston before moving here - not in a baby-bell area. My
>> phone was
>> > $11/month.  Moved to Smyrna - BellSouth - $26/month.
>> >
>> > 'nuff said.
>> >
>>
>> Standard land line. How quaint!
>>
>> VOIP and Google Voice has deregulated this market already. I have a
>> Callcentric DID with E911 service for $4.50 a month. Incoming calls routed
>> in via GV. By virtualizing my home number, I never have to worry about
>> that
>> number being tied to a particular provider ever again. If I ever give up
>> my
>> AT&T cell service, I'll do exactly the same with my cell number.
>>
>> > Don't get me started about power issues where I lived in Houston.
>> >
>> > Comcast needs to be broken up, but not in the same way that AT*T was.
>> More like
>> > how natural gas has been deregulated in Georgia.
>>
>> There isn't a direct correlation between the two. The primary difference
>> is
>> the fact that natural gas is exactly the same no matter who's marketing
>> it.
>> However with digital content, each provider offers different content that
>> has to be delivered. Comcast has comcast only content that neither
>> Charter,
>> AT&T, or Dish offers. So instead of GNG, which can centralize all gas
>> delivery operations for every marketer using the same infrastructure, in
>> your proposed scenario each provider would have to have a connection to
>> the
>> head end of the delivery provider and the delivery provider would have to
>> carry enough bandwidth to deliver every content providers content at the
>> same time.
>>
>> Don't you think there will be a cost attached to that? One of the reasons
>> I
>> finally turned off my natural gas service was the fact that GNG was
>> charging me nearly $40/month simply for the priviledge of providing gas to
>> my meter. No matter if it's 1 therm or 100, the base delivery and tax was
>> a
>> $40+ base. Can you imagine how much a centralized content delivery
>> provider
>> would charge simply for access?
>>
>> How exactly is the market closed? Right now I can get Comcast (which I
>> would never do, long story), AT&T UVerse, Dish, and DirectTV. In fact in
>> the last 5 years I've had service with each of the above and except for
>> Dish I've kicked each and every one of them to the curb at one point in
>> time or another. There's nothing to preclude Verizon or Google from
>> entering the fray.
>>
>> Comparing digital content delivery to natural gas deregulation is an
>> apples
>> to gorillas argument, seems to me.
>>
>> BAJ
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 03/07/2015 04:24 PM, Jim Lynch wrote:
>> > > The Judge made my life harder.  Before his ruling, I picked up the
>> phone and
>> > > called AT&T when the network wasn't working.  It got fixed.
>> Afterwards, I
>> > > called AT&T and after a bit, they told me it wasn't their problem, so
>> I called
>> > > Racal Milgo and guess what?  It wasn't their problem either.  It took
>> 2x 3x
>> > > maybe 4x the amount of time to get the network back.
>> > >
>> > > Progress...
>> > > On 03/07/2015 04:14 PM, James Taylor wrote:
>> > >> Now you're making us all feel old....
>> > >> -jt
>> > >
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