[ale] sponsoring registrar

[Michael H. Warfield]

On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 16:59 -0500, Todor Fassl wrote:
> On 10/20/14 15:53, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> >> Registry Expiry Date: 2015-02-23T17:22:49Z
> > This says this expires in 02/23/2015.  Is this information accurate or
> > just more faked out bullshit?  This does not indicate a suspended
> > domain.  This IS consistent with a domain that was renewed for 1 year
> > back in January of this year and expiring in February of next year, so
> > it may not be "suspended" per se afa the domain name itself is
> > concerned.  If your site dns or hosting is down, that may be nameservers
> > or hosting accounts with the provider.  If the domain is active, we have
> > a whole different game with months to play!
> >

>  >>>>

> Well, I did say our web site is suspended, not our domain name.

Your statements where "ambiguous".  I'll grant you that you did not say
your "domain name" was suspended but then you said this...

"I'd like to get our domain named moved to another site."

Now, it's apparent you want your hosting to be moved to another site and
possibly your nameservers.  But your domain name{d} probably isn't going
anywhere.  (Was the "d" a typo?  I had missed that on the first pass.)

> It's going to take some time to get our web site unsuspended so I thought I'd 
> try to get the domain name registrar to let me point the  domain 
> somewhere else.

The registrar can let you change your name servers if you have access to
the account and that's about it.  The key is having access to the
account.  Recurse back to my experiences with that...  Everything
depends on how it was set up.

> I am asking how to figure out what to do about that. I 
> am not entirely sure that this thing called the "sponsoring registrar" 
> is the right entity to contact.

It is, if you want to renew a domain (though you don't need access to an
account to renew a domain, just access to a credit card) or change any
of the name servers, contact information, or organizational information.

> It may be a dumb question but the reason 
> I am doubting my sanity is that the sponsoring registrar is denying that 
> they know anything about the domain name. I think I'm being jerked 
> around, right?

Insufficient information to go on.  I am unfamiliar with this registrar
but they have to abide by the ICANN certification agreements.  I deal
with and have accounts with Network Solutions, Ghandi, GoDaddy,
DreamHost and several others.  This is not one of them.  They may not
understand what it is you are asking of them if they are not the hosting
provider and they show the domain as valid and active.

> I mean, if you do a whois for your domain, you need to contact the 
> entity listed as the sponsoring registrar to regain control, right?

Depends.  In this case, yes.  Sort of.  The terminology is ambiguous.
It does sound like you need to contact the registrar, yes, and
reestablish control over the domain name but that's not your immediate
problem (your domain name remains in force until at least late Feb).
You're immediate problem is 1) the name servers and service and 2) the
web site hosting.  If your web site provider is your registrar, then yes
you are correct.  If they are not (and often they are not) then no, you
have to contact your hosting provider.

If you have access to the name servers you do not need to contact the
registrar.  If you don't then you do.  If the registrar is also your
name service host and your web site host, I would almost argue that's an
argument against such arrangements.  I just don't have sufficient
information on the reality of the situation to judge.

> PS: Sorry about the "faked out bullshit" but I can't post the dead guy's 
> name or even that of the non-profit. I'm sure you can understand that.

Sorry but you can.  If it was public information before, it's public
information now.  If it was "private" before, then you should NOT
publish ANYTHING that was not public before.  You can post the public
domain name and we all have it (and some of what you did not redact
could be used to pull the records).  By definition, a domain name itself
is not private and obviously cannot be.  You can opt to have your
contact information private but then it's not published under whois.  If
you don't opt to make it private, then it's publicly published
information.  Under that circumstance, nothing is private.  Publishing
the name of the domain could subject you to potential scammers but any
con artist worth his water could do a search with what's already been
published.

Regards,
Mike
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