[ale] Fedora grousing

[Jeff Hubbs]

This is one reason why working with Gentoo is such a relief - you can 
almost always very readily put a stake in the ground with the version of 
the package(s) you care about and control the rest of the packages on 
the system independently of that at least up to the point where the 
manifold of dependencies can't be resolved (and sometimes you get saved 
from that thanks to slotted packages - multiple versions that can 
coexist side-by-side).  When designing a Java 6 server that wound up 
having to be CentOS (one reason I got out of the business: no control 
over what's used), I set up a Gentoo version in parallel as a reference 
implementation.  Later, I did the same thing with CUPS because Gentoo's 
current CUPS package was a major release ahead of CentOS', which 
wouldn't have been all that big a deal except the current release had a 
vastly improved web management interface.

And, there are never complaints about the installer in Gentoo because 
there isn't one; you set up your machine (or image, if you're thinking 
ahead) using the tools are on whichever liveCD you decided to boot with.

On 10/23/13 11:34 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> +1!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Beddingfield, Allen <allen at ua.edu 
> <mailto:allen at ua.edu>> wrote:
>
>     The whole "not up to date enough" garbage from web people makes me
>     want to puke constantly.  I can't tell you how many times I get a
>     web developer who has developed some site in PHP on the latest
>     Ubuntu Ornery Orangatan or Pliable Platypus, or whatever the
>     latest Ubuntu release of the minute is, with every PHP option
>     installed and the latest bleeding edge version.  They try to get
>     it to run on one of our SLES 11 or RHEL 6 servers, and it won't...
>      they don't understand that I can't just "upgrade to PHP
>     5.4.x"...yeah...5.3 with backported security updates is currently
>     supported on this release - don't like it?  Take a hike.  Oh, and
>     giving them dev space on a server with the same patch level
>     doesn't help, because they can't possibly work within the confines
>     of THAT old environment.
>     The fact that so many web people think developing on a
>     bleeding-edge workstation distro is a sane idea just throws fuel
>     on the fire of my dislike for Ubuntu.
>     --
>     Allen Beddingfield
>     Systems Engineer
>     The University of Alabama
>
>     ________________________________________
>     From: ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
>     [ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>] on behalf of
>     James Sumners [james.sumners at gmail.com
>     <mailto:james.sumners at gmail.com>]
>     Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:37 AM
>     To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>     Subject: Re: [ale] Fedora grousing
>
>     I can't fathom why anyone would use Ubuntu for servers. If you don't
>     need the, I have to admit, nice things that RHEL provides (once you
>     pay enough), why wouldn't you be using Debian? If you're going to say
>     "not up-to-date enough," well, you did say "Ubuntu LTS." That's just
>     as stale at some point.
>
>     On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM, leam hall <leamhall at gmail.com
>     <mailto:leamhall at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Fedora is branching into it's own beast and losing any relevance
>     to those of
>     > us who like Red Hat. With the LTS option, Ubuntu is making
>     itself worth a
>     > look. From what I can tell, a lot of web based startups are
>     preferring
>     > Ubuntu to CentOS/RHEL. No one seems to like Fedora.
>
>
>
>     --
>     James Sumners
>     http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>
>     "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
>     pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
>     is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
>     drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>
>     Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
>     CH:D 59
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> -- 
> James P. Kinney III
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