[ale] OT Fwd: Dc404-Chat New smart locks for your home

Ron Frazier (ALE) atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
Thu Jun 20 15:11:41 EDT 2013


A google search for rfid protective sleeve yields lots of interesting 
results.  The following caught my eye because it's a 3m product.  They 
usually produce pretty good stuff.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/ElectricalOEM/Home/Products/DataProtectionSleeves/

Sincerely,

Ron


On 6/20/2013 2:21 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> If the gov issued ID came with RFID and it's not working anymore, 
> that's probably a much bigger problem than anyone wants to have. 
> Especially at the border on the way back in!
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) 
> <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com 
> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote:
>
>     That stuff looks pretty cool.  May end up needing it.  I found
>     this information about enhanced drivers' licenses.  I don't think
>     GA has implemented them yet, but they do have an rfid circuit.
>
>     https://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they
>
>     <quote on>
>
>     State-issued enhanced drivers licenses (EDLs) provide proof of
>      identity and U.S. citizenship, are issued in a secure process,
>     and include technology that makes travel easier. They provide
>     travelers with a low-cost, convenient alternative for entering the
>     United States from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean through a land
>     or sea port of entry, in addition to serving as a permit to drive.
>
>     The Department has been working with states to enhance their
>     drivers licenses and identification documents to comply with
>     travel rules under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)
>     <https://www.dhs.gov/files/crossingborders/whtibasics.shtm>,
>     effective June 1, 2009. The states of Michigan, New York, Vermont
>     and Washington are issuing these enhanced drivers licenses.
>
>     Enhanced drivers licenses make it easier for U.S. citizens to
>     cross the border into the United States because they include
>
>         * a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID)
>           <https://www.dhs.gov/files/crossingborders/gc_1197652575426.shtm>
>           chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your
>           biographic and biometric data for the CBP officer as you
>           approach the border inspection booth, and
>         * a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP
>           officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.
>
>     The top 39 land ports of entry, which process more than 95 percent
>     of land border crossings, are equipped with RFID technology that
>     helps facilitate travel by individual presenting EDLs or one of
>     the other RFID-enabled documents.
>
>     <quote off>
>
>     Might have to get some of the special shielding fabric you
>     mentioned for my DL or a special pouch like I already have for my
>     passport.  It's probably a crime to "vandalize" that card and
>     deactivate the chip.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Ron
>
>
>     On 6/20/2013 1:48 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>
>>     wrap your RFID cards in this stuff:
>>
>>     http://www.adafruit.com/products/1168
>>
>>     or go anti-emf crazy and buy a larger blob from:
>>
>>     http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Alex Carver
>>     <agcarver+ale at acarver.net <mailto:agcarver+ale at acarver.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 6/20/2013 09:50, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>>
>>             On 6/20/2013 10:49 AM, William Bagwell wrote:
>>
>>                 On Thursday 20 June 2013, Alex Carver wrote:
>>
>>                     Ok, then use the bright light to illuminate the
>>                     card from the edge.  If
>>                     you get the light just right you should see a
>>                     square dimple in the back
>>                     of the card where the pocket for the chip is
>>                     located.  On my card,
>>                     looking at the back of the card with the mag
>>                     stripe on top, it is
>>                     located just 5mm (to the center of the dimple)
>>                     below the bottom edge of
>>                     the mag stripe and 10 mm in from the right edge.
>>                      A bright light shining
>>                     across the card (the way you might shine light
>>                     across a floor to look
>>                     for a lost screw or other tiny part) should
>>                     highlight the dimple.
>>
>>                 Bingo! Barley detectable 'pad' about 5mm square.
>>                 Confirmed on the
>>                 sacrificial
>>                 card - metallic foil and has the 2mm chip with in.
>>
>>                 On a Chase Slate it is above the mag stripe and the
>>                 curved "Blink" symbol
>>                 points almost directly at it.
>>
>>
>>             I'm interested to know if that card had any writing,
>>             symbols, or legend
>>             on it to indicate that you can use it wirelessly.  What's
>>             the point of
>>             putting it in there if you don't notify the customer that
>>             he / she can
>>             use it that way?
>>
>>             I used one of those 1,000,000 candle power hand held
>>             spotlights like you
>>             get at a tool or auto store to look through my cards.
>>              The trick is to
>>             hold the card in such a way so you don't blind yourself
>>             in the process.
>>             I don't think any of them have the rf circuitry.  If they
>>             do, and I
>>             haven't been informed by the bank, I will be rather annoyed.
>>
>>             I thought about getting a cheap rfid reader from amazon
>>             to tinker with
>>             and test the cards.  5 minutes of searching revealed a
>>             large enough
>>             disparity of pricing and technology that I gave up on
>>             that for the moment.
>>
>>             The following google search yields a large number of
>>             results that could
>>             be interesting.  Haven't had time to sort through them.
>>
>>             (destroy OR disable OR deactivate) rfid credit card
>>
>>
>>         Yes, if the card has the technology it's marked.  AmEx uses a
>>         symbol similar to the radio wave symbol you might see on a
>>         WiFi device (do a google search for Wifi Symbol and it's the
>>         curved lines that you find in most of the symbols).  Their
>>         marketing lingo is ExpressPay.  Visa and Mastercard should
>>         have similar symbols or branding on the card.  THey don't put
>>         the technology in all of their cards so it has to be obvious
>>         which cards do have it.
>>
>>         I believe the RFID chip in a credit card is of the LF variety
>>         (kHz range).  There is also VHF and UHF RFID technology, too.
>>          Some readers can handle all three types, others only one.
>>          Sparkfun has a few readers, too.
>>
>>         While doing a search I found a YouTube video with Adam Savage
>>         (of Mythbuster fame) explaining to an audience at a tech show
>>         why Discovery/Mythbusters aren't allowed to do an RFID
>>         episode (hint, the credit card companies told them no).
>>
>>         I'm not a tinfoil hat type person but these things are
>>         hackable (same as the passport chips, too).  It wouldn't be
>>         much of a problem if the life cycle was shorter but the
>>         passports and credit cards are designed to hang around for a
>>         few years or more.  If a flaw is discovered that exposes
>>         information, there's a very large population of devices out
>>         in the field that have to get replaced quickly and that's not
>>         easy.
>>
>>
>>
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