[ale] Old host you want to unload?

Scott Castaline skotchman at gmail.com
Mon Jul 15 15:02:55 EDT 2013 

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That would have been Jerald Sheets that has expressed interest. If he
has a change of heart you're more than welcome to have at it. It's
just sitting here collecting dust. Word of warning though it is really
loud. When I was running it, we were living in a two bedroom apartment
and you could hear it even outside. We later moved to a 3 bedroom apt.
w/attached 2 car garage and even there you could hear it in the
garage. So if you have a spot that is isolated from living space
(basement or a reasonably sound proofed closet/room), it should be ok.
I say that because I tried to keep it running 24/7 and the boss,
social director, significant other gave me an ultimatum, shut it off
or live alone. It did stay on for a day or 2 longer until she started
packing.



On 07/15/2013 01:19 PM, Chuck Payne wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> If Ron doesn't take you up on that, I like to see I can get it. I
> do a lot work with openSUSE, I been looking for a server that I can
> run it on to show off.
> 
> 
> Pup
> 
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scott Castaline
> <skotchman at gmail.com> wrote: I've got an old Dell Poweredge 1400
> series server. It only has one of two possible CPU modules, and
> 512MB. It also has 3 SCSI Wide HDDs. (It did have 4 but one died,
> can't find track 0 on powerup, you can hear the constant recal
> going on with that drive.) It hasn't been powered up in a while,
> you're welcome to come over and check it out, if it interests you.
> I live in the Lawrenceville area.
> 
> Scott C
> 
> 
> On 07/15/2013 10:14 AM, Jerald Sheets wrote:
>>>> Ok, I'm at a desk and not on a phone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Let's sort of set the stage, if you will, to clarify a few
>>>> things.
>>>> 
>>>> First, I've raised two boys into their 20's and done this
>>>> all before. Second, I've got a metric crapload of snort
>>>> processing scripts I've written that watch for all manner of
>>>> icky URL matches on "requested sites" and also on Squid's
>>>> logs to do the same.  I took the stance with the boys of
>>>> "trust but verify" which is a very "apple-storeish" thing to
>>>> do.  I had transgressions once by each boy that got addressed
>>>> personally and quietly and have managed (aside from the
>>>> occasional pop-up storm) to keep them "porn free" if you will
>>>> as long as they've been under my roof. Anything they've 
>>>> managed outside of the house is beyond the scope of my
>>>> purview, of course, but they pay for their own phones now… I
>>>> can't "control" their intake forever.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I'm on "kids 2.0" with my second wife, and they're all
>>>> girls and at ages 3, 6, and 10.  The 10 year old has an
>>>> internet-capable device,  so, I'm putting the same system
>>>> back in place with the same scripts and logging and automated
>>>> emails and such.  However, their mother wants the added
>>>> protection of content filtering for a couple of years until
>>>> "aunt flo" arrives and she can halve "talk 1.0" with her, but
>>>> also wanting to know /what /was requested and by what
>>>> mechanism.  Ipcop to the rescue again…you can say "no" via 
>>>> automated system, but it's considerably more important to
>>>> know what is being asked for and how.  Was it typed in? Why
>>>> is the child interested in that particular topic?  (etc.
>>>> etc.)
>>>> 
>>>> Also, having all these folks on the network at home while
>>>> "mom & dad" work from home a lot requires packet-shaping of
>>>> the Xbox and Rou down and web traffic/SSH up.  Also, when on
>>>> the road, I need to be able to VPN into my private network
>>>> from anywhere to do something even so small as printing a doc
>>>> for my wife all the way to rooting around my internal net for
>>>> various reasons.  (i.e., you can't hit the time machine from
>>>> the outside)
>>>> 
>>>> So, a smallish box with modest means to run a couple hundred
>>>> meg distro for firewalling seemed to be the way to go for us…
>>>> that's why I asked.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> TL;DR.  (I've done this before.. I just need hardware)
>>>> 
>>>> Something else on the topic…. I re-read and it appeared I
>>>> was *only* asking for "free" stuff… I'm not. If you've got
>>>> something hogging space and you're under a "nag order" to get
>>>> rid of it, please do think of me first.  And if it requires a
>>>> few bucks, that's good too.  I just wanted to work with you
>>>> guys who may need a few bucks first before giving that cash
>>>> to $company making cheap crap in China.  I'd rather buy the
>>>> cheap crap from you instead. XD
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --j
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Tom Freeman 
>>>> <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net
>>>> <mailto:tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Please forgive the chime in - but...
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1  with an observation of sorts
>>>>> 
>>>>> A parent still needs to monitor sufficiently to catch a
>>>>> usuable per centage (what ever that value is) to ensure
>>>>> that the conversation takes place. (I caught a daughter
>>>>> sneaking a viewing of "Flesh Gordon" from a copy her late
>>>>> mother gave me. _That_ was an awkward conversation!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In short: don't rely on technology as a role model
>>>>>> stand-in for children. I have exactly 0 filters on the
>>>>>> feed at my house. none. waste of time. Kids will find
>>>>>> what interests them. If it's porn, you're overdue for
>>>>>> "the talk" and that one will go on for the next several
>>>>>> years. If the adult is not capable of sitting down and
>>>>>> watching what they are and rationally explaining what is
>>>>>> problematic about it, the child will begin to disregard
>>>>>> the adult as an authority figure and view them as just
>>>>>> another knee-jerker wearing blinders. Most kids are 
>>>>>> wanting to find stuff that's not porn and other "bad
>>>>>> stuff". Most kids get embarrassed or grossed out when it
>>>>>> accidentally crosses the screen on an errant mouse click.
>>>>>> It's far more important to have them understanding that
>>>>>> they will not be punished the occasional mistake but will
>>>>>> be expected to learn from them. Teach them the "back"
>>>>>> button in both mouse and keystrokes :-) Ron brought up a
>>>>>> bigger issue that can't be filtered with current tools:
>>>>>> what the kids actually say online to each other. Between
>>>>>> 12-13 and about 19-20, girls are vile, horrid creatures
>>>>>> to other girls and boys are brain-damaged monsters with
>>>>>> illusions of invincibility. A useful tool would be a
>>>>>> screen mirror with recording so the nasty things they
>>>>>> say to each other can be replayed, discussed, and used as
>>>>>> reasons why privilege A is being withheld. I'm thinking
>>>>>> of a chat mirroring tool or email copy process. It will
>>>>>> only get to be used once then they will change methods
>>>>>> (if they are smart). But that level of guidance, no
>>>>>> matter what _they_ think, would benefit them greatly
>>>>>> learning how to relate with others. Besides, once the
>>>>>> hormones kick in, they will find a way to find out about
>>>>>> it. If the default view at home is "NO! BAD!", they will
>>>>>> look elsewhere for answers unless they are totally 
>>>>>> dominated by helicopter parents. Most commercial porn is
>>>>>> crap with subtle and not so subtle overtone of violence
>>>>>> against women as themes. It's a challenge to find
>>>>>> something that can serve as guidance for humans really
>>>>>> relate in bed. And intelligent bed banging is far better
>>>>>> than stupid gun banging in the street. On Sun, Jul 14,
>>>>>> 2013 at 9:46 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE)
>>>>>> <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote: Hi
>>>>>> all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since I brought up OpenDNS, even though I'm a user and a
>>>>>> fan, I should point out some limitations.  About 10%, as
>>>>>> a rough guestimate, of the ugly stuff will sneak through
>>>>>> the filter. The purveyers of junk bring up new sites too
>>>>>> fast for everything to be in the database.  Do not assume
>>>>>> your kids will be totally prevented from getting to any
>>>>>> and all "insert bad category" stuff.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, if your kid knows how to do any of the following,
>>>>>> he / she can bypass the filter: choose an alternate dns
>>>>>> server on the pc, use a proxy / anonymizer (although you
>>>>>> can filter that category), browse by ip alone without
>>>>>> dns, start up a vpn, take their laptop / smartphone to a
>>>>>> friend's house or hotspot or step parent's house.
>>>>>> Anything that bypasses the use of the OpenDNS servers or
>>>>>> changes their public ip bypasses the filter. I have
>>>>>> wished in the past that I could tie the filter to a 
>>>>>> specific pc, but OpenDNS does not provide that as far as
>>>>>> I know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Internet Explorer provides some built in content
>>>>>> filtering options, which can tie into things like
>>>>>> NetNanny (I think), but I've never used it.  Firefox
>>>>>> doesn't provide any of that natively that I'm aware of,
>>>>>> but there may be plugins for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have links to a couple of Christian sites related
>>>>>> these topics I could try to dig up if anyone wants.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Note that, even if they cannot easily access
>>>>>> "uglyjunk.com <http://uglyjunk.com>" because of OpenDNS,
>>>>>> they can see links to it in google and bing, and in the
>>>>>> latter case, with live video coming though bing.  The
>>>>>> child's pc need not ever visit "uglyjunk.com
>>>>>> <http://uglyjunk.com>" to see some of its content, albeit
>>>>>> with smaller pictures.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can make things harder to bypass by putting the
>>>>>> OpenDNS servers in your router settings.  Then, any pc
>>>>>> which just uses basic dhcp to get it's ip and dns will
>>>>>> pick that up from the router.  But, that does not prevent
>>>>>> the pc from querying another dns server directly if it
>>>>>> wants to.  If the pc can get an ip for "uglyjunk.com
>>>>>> <http://uglyjunk.com>", it can still visit the site.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have heard that you can get hosts files of
>>>>>> preconfigured blacklist sites, then the computer is just
>>>>>> directed to nowhere when they try to get those sites,
>>>>>> before even querying the dns. I've never used that
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The service also depends on linking your public ip to
>>>>>> your account.  That's why going to a hotspot bypasses the
>>>>>> filter. They'll have a different public ip which is not
>>>>>> linked to your account.  Even if the pc was set to use
>>>>>> the OpenDNS servers, your personal filter settings would
>>>>>> not be in affect.  You would still get phishing
>>>>>> protection though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since your public ip is subject to change periodically
>>>>>> when your cable / dsl modem resets, you need to run a
>>>>>> small utility, which I run in Windows, to link your
>>>>>> current public ip with your account and filter settings.
>>>>>> You'll have to check on whether they have a linux
>>>>>> utility, but they probably do.  When your ip changes, if
>>>>>> the utility runs, the OpenDNS servers get set to respond
>>>>>> to the new ip.  If your ip setting utility doesn't run
>>>>>> for a few days, then your filters won't be in affect for
>>>>>> a few days if your ip has changed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do NOT recommend running the ip setting utility on the 
>>>>>> child's computer.  Here's why.  Let's say you did that.
>>>>>> They go to starbucks.  They login, then the ip utility
>>>>>> links STARBUCKS public ip to YOUR filter account.  Your
>>>>>> child would then be subject to your filters, but so would
>>>>>> EVERYONE ELSE in starbucks.  That might cause some
>>>>>> problems.  This would remain in effect until your child
>>>>>> logged into another network and got another public ip.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because ip's change, the system occasionally gets
>>>>>> confused as to which account owns which ip.  This is
>>>>>> rare, but, for example, let's say there is a disruption
>>>>>> at the isp and all the cable modems get reset.  You may
>>>>>> end up with what was someone else's public ip and they
>>>>>> may end up with yours.  It may take a little while for
>>>>>> the ip setting utilities to set everything straight. So,
>>>>>> the possibility does exist that they could see stuff in
>>>>>> their account logs on OpenDNS that came from you and you
>>>>>> could see theirs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One other slight disadvantage of the OpenDNS system is
>>>>>> that all pc's in the house with the same public ip will
>>>>>> have the same filters.  You could always active a vpn or
>>>>>> proxy on your own pc though and bypass your own filter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Despite these limitations, I found the service extremely 
>>>>>> useful and wouldn't want to be without it with a child in
>>>>>> the house. You could gang other technologies on top of
>>>>>> this, if you wish. I still have it active, even though my
>>>>>> child has moved out, to filter out rubbish that I might
>>>>>> hit accidentally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is slightly off topic to the original question, but
>>>>>> I'd consider a certain amount of monitoring of my kid's 
>>>>>> communications online.  Chat, email, facebook, whatever.
>>>>>> How much is up to you.  I'd also set rules on who it was 
>>>>>> appropriate to communicate with.  Again, up to personal 
>>>>>> discretion.  You can get books about how to deal with
>>>>>> these issues.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/14/2013 8:09 PM, Doug Hall wrote: 27" iMac is sweet.
>>>>>> But I agree with Ron. There's no reason to buy ANYTHING
>>>>>> if you use OpenDNS to filter content. I'm very satisfied
>>>>>> with the free service. Okay, maybe paranoia is a reason.
>>>>>> I wouldn't be surprised to know that OpenDNS is releasing
>>>>>> records to the NSA. But then again, so could your current
>>>>>> ISP. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Jerald Sheets
>>>>>> <questy at gmail.com <mailto:questy at gmail.com>> wrote: I do.
>>>>>> It's a slamming 27" iMac.  :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jerald Sheets Sent from my iPhone5 On Jul 13, 2013, at
>>>>>> 10:20 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jerald, you're missing the entire point: Upgrade _your_
>>>>>> machine and give the old one to the young-uns. Put
>>>>>> squid-guard on it and provide a pile of bookmarks they
>>>>>> are interested in. :-) House Rule: Dad ALWAYS has the
>>>>>> best hardware unless someone else is paying for it. On
>>>>>> Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Neal Rhodes
>>>>>> <neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>> wrote: I 
>>>>>> would think you could look for off-lease "no-os" refurb
>>>>>> units on TigerDirect for maybe $100.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:22 -0400, Jerald Sheets wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all. I've come to the point where my next generation o
>>>>>> little ones will be going online, and I'm going to build
>>>>>> me a content filtering firewall. (Ipcop) Thing is, I
>>>>>> don't have any old hardware and need to get something,
>>>>>> but anyth ing I would buy in a store would be overkill.
>>>>>> I'm looking for something P3 or later, mid tower with one
>>>>>> drive bay is fine and 4-8G of memory. Anyone have
>>>>>> anything like that you'd like to unload? Jerald Sheets
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5 
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