[ale] Old host you want to unload?

[Ron Frazier (ALE)]

I wasn't the original poster of the thread.  I don't need another pc ... at the moment.  8-)

Ron


Chuck Payne <terrorpup at gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott,
>
>If Ron doesn't take you up on that, I like to see I can get it. I do a
>lot work with openSUSE, I been looking for a server that I can run it
>on to show off.
>
>
>Pup
>
>On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scott Castaline <skotchman at gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>> I've got an old Dell Poweredge 1400 series server. It only has one of
>> two possible CPU modules, and 512MB. It also has 3 SCSI Wide HDDs.
>(It
>> did have 4 but one died, can't find track 0 on powerup, you can hear
>> the constant recal going on with that drive.) It hasn't been powered
>> up in a while, you're welcome to come over and check it out, if it
>> interests you. I live in the Lawrenceville area.
>>
>> Scott C
>>
>>
>> On 07/15/2013 10:14 AM, Jerald Sheets wrote:
>>> Ok, I'm at a desk and not on a phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's sort of set the stage, if you will, to clarify a few things.
>>>
>>> First, I've raised two boys into their 20's and done this all
>>> before. Second, I've got a metric crapload of snort processing
>>> scripts I've written that watch for all manner of icky URL matches
>>> on "requested sites" and also on Squid's logs to do the same.  I
>>> took the stance with the boys of "trust but verify" which is a very
>>> "apple-storeish" thing to do.  I had transgressions once by each
>>> boy that got addressed personally and quietly and have managed
>>> (aside from the occasional pop-up storm) to keep them "porn free"
>>> if you will as long as they've been under my roof. Anything they've
>>> managed outside of the house is beyond the scope of my purview, of
>>> course, but they pay for their own phones now… I can't "control"
>>> their intake forever.
>>>
>>> Now I'm on "kids 2.0" with my second wife, and they're all girls
>>> and at ages 3, 6, and 10.  The 10 year old has an internet-capable
>>> device,  so, I'm putting the same system back in place with the
>>> same scripts and logging and automated emails and such.  However,
>>> their mother wants the added protection of content filtering for a
>>> couple of years until "aunt flo" arrives and she can halve "talk
>>> 1.0" with her, but also wanting to know /what /was requested and by
>>> what mechanism.  Ipcop to the rescue again…you can say "no" via
>>> automated system, but it's considerably more important to know what
>>> is being asked for and how.  Was it typed in? Why is the child
>>> interested in that particular topic?  (etc. etc.)
>>>
>>> Also, having all these folks on the network at home while "mom &
>>> dad" work from home a lot requires packet-shaping of the Xbox and
>>> Rou down and web traffic/SSH up.  Also, when on the road, I need to
>>> be able to VPN into my private network from anywhere to do
>>> something even so small as printing a doc for my wife all the way
>>> to rooting around my internal net for various reasons.  (i.e., you
>>> can't hit the time machine from the outside)
>>>
>>> So, a smallish box with modest means to run a couple hundred meg
>>> distro for firewalling seemed to be the way to go for us… that's
>>> why I asked.
>>>
>>>
>>> TL;DR.  (I've done this before.. I just need hardware)
>>>
>>> Something else on the topic…. I re-read and it appeared I was
>>> *only* asking for "free" stuff… I'm not. If you've got something
>>> hogging space and you're under a "nag order" to get rid of it,
>>> please do think of me first.  And if it requires a few bucks,
>>> that's good too.  I just wanted to work with you guys who may need
>>> a few bucks first before giving that cash to $company making cheap
>>> crap in China.  I'd rather buy the cheap crap from you instead.
>>> XD
>>>
>>>
>>> --j
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Tom Freeman
>>> <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net <mailto:tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please forgive the chime in - but...
>>>>
>>>> +1  with an observation of sorts
>>>>
>>>> A parent still needs to monitor sufficiently to catch a usuable
>>>> per centage (what ever that value is) to ensure that the
>>>> conversation takes place. (I caught a daughter sneaking a viewing
>>>> of "Flesh Gordon" from a copy her late mother gave me. _That_ was
>>>> an awkward conversation!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In short: don't rely on technology as a role model stand-in for
>>>>> children. I have exactly 0 filters on the feed at my house.
>>>>> none. waste of time. Kids will find what interests them. If
>>>>> it's porn, you're overdue for "the talk" and that one will go
>>>>> on for the next several years. If the adult is not capable of
>>>>> sitting down and watching what they are and rationally
>>>>> explaining what is problematic about it, the child will begin
>>>>> to disregard the adult as an authority figure and view them as
>>>>> just another knee-jerker wearing blinders. Most kids are
>>>>> wanting to find stuff that's not porn and other "bad stuff".
>>>>> Most kids get embarrassed or grossed out when it accidentally
>>>>> crosses the screen on an errant mouse click. It's far more
>>>>> important to have them understanding that they will not be
>>>>> punished the occasional mistake but will be expected to learn
>>>>> from them. Teach them the "back" button in both mouse and
>>>>> keystrokes :-) Ron brought up a bigger issue that can't be
>>>>> filtered with current tools: what the kids actually say online
>>>>> to each other. Between 12-13 and about 19-20, girls are vile,
>>>>> horrid creatures to other girls and boys are brain-damaged
>>>>> monsters with illusions of invincibility. A useful tool would
>>>>> be a screen mirror with recording so the nasty things they say
>>>>> to each other can be replayed, discussed, and used as reasons
>>>>> why privilege A is being withheld. I'm thinking of a chat
>>>>> mirroring tool or email copy process. It will only get to be
>>>>> used once then they will change methods (if they are smart).
>>>>> But that level of guidance, no matter what _they_ think, would
>>>>> benefit them greatly learning how to relate with others.
>>>>> Besides, once the hormones kick in, they will find a way to
>>>>> find out about it. If the default view at home is "NO! BAD!",
>>>>> they will look elsewhere for answers unless they are totally
>>>>> dominated by helicopter parents. Most commercial porn is crap
>>>>> with subtle and not so subtle overtone of violence against
>>>>> women as themes. It's a challenge to find something that can
>>>>> serve as guidance for humans really relate in bed. And
>>>>> intelligent bed banging is far better than stupid gun banging
>>>>> in the street. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Ron Frazier
>>>>> (ALE) <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote: Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I brought up OpenDNS, even though I'm a user and a fan,
>>>>> I should point out some limitations.  About 10%, as a rough
>>>>> guestimate, of the ugly stuff will sneak through the filter.
>>>>> The purveyers of junk bring up new sites too fast for
>>>>> everything to be in the database.  Do not assume your kids will
>>>>> be totally prevented from getting to any and all "insert bad
>>>>> category" stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if your kid knows how to do any of the following, he /
>>>>> she can bypass the filter: choose an alternate dns server on
>>>>> the pc, use a proxy / anonymizer (although you can filter that
>>>>> category), browse by ip alone without dns, start up a vpn,
>>>>> take their laptop / smartphone to a friend's house or hotspot
>>>>> or step parent's house.  Anything that bypasses the use of the
>>>>> OpenDNS servers or changes their public ip bypasses the filter.
>>>>> I have wished in the past that I could tie the filter to a
>>>>> specific pc, but OpenDNS does not provide that as far as I
>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Internet Explorer provides some built in content filtering
>>>>> options, which can tie into things like NetNanny (I think),
>>>>> but I've never used it.  Firefox doesn't provide any of that
>>>>> natively that I'm aware of, but there may be plugins for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have links to a couple of Christian sites related these
>>>>> topics I could try to dig up if anyone wants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that, even if they cannot easily access "uglyjunk.com
>>>>> <http://uglyjunk.com>" because of OpenDNS, they can see links
>>>>> to it in google and bing, and in the latter case, with live
>>>>> video coming though bing.  The child's pc need not ever visit
>>>>> "uglyjunk.com <http://uglyjunk.com>" to see some of its
>>>>> content, albeit with smaller pictures.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make things harder to bypass by putting the OpenDNS
>>>>> servers in your router settings.  Then, any pc which just uses
>>>>> basic dhcp to get it's ip and dns will pick that up from the
>>>>> router.  But, that does not prevent the pc from querying
>>>>> another dns server directly if it wants to.  If the pc can get
>>>>> an ip for "uglyjunk.com <http://uglyjunk.com>", it can still
>>>>> visit the site.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have heard that you can get hosts files of preconfigured
>>>>> blacklist sites, then the computer is just directed to nowhere
>>>>> when they try to get those sites, before even querying the dns.
>>>>>  I've never used that though.
>>>>>
>>>>> The service also depends on linking your public ip to your
>>>>> account.  That's why going to a hotspot bypasses the filter.
>>>>> They'll have a different public ip which is not linked to your
>>>>> account.  Even if the pc was set to use the OpenDNS servers,
>>>>> your personal filter settings would not be in affect.  You
>>>>> would still get phishing protection though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since your public ip is subject to change periodically when
>>>>> your cable / dsl modem resets, you need to run a small utility,
>>>>> which I run in Windows, to link your current public ip with
>>>>> your account and filter settings.  You'll have to check on
>>>>> whether they have a linux utility, but they probably do.  When
>>>>> your ip changes, if the utility runs, the OpenDNS servers get
>>>>> set to respond to the new ip.  If your ip setting utility
>>>>> doesn't run for a few days, then your filters won't be in
>>>>> affect for a few days if your ip has changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do NOT recommend running the ip setting utility on the
>>>>> child's computer.  Here's why.  Let's say you did that.  They
>>>>> go to starbucks.  They login, then the ip utility links
>>>>> STARBUCKS public ip to YOUR filter account.  Your child would
>>>>> then be subject to your filters, but so would EVERYONE ELSE in
>>>>> starbucks.  That might cause some problems.  This would remain
>>>>> in effect until your child logged into another network and got
>>>>> another public ip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because ip's change, the system occasionally gets confused as
>>>>> to which account owns which ip.  This is rare, but, for
>>>>> example, let's say there is a disruption at the isp and all the
>>>>> cable modems get reset.  You may end up with what was someone
>>>>> else's public ip and they may end up with yours.  It may take a
>>>>> little while for the ip setting utilities to set everything
>>>>> straight. So, the possibility does exist that they could see
>>>>> stuff in their account logs on OpenDNS that came from you and
>>>>> you could see theirs.
>>>>>
>>>>> One other slight disadvantage of the OpenDNS system is that
>>>>> all pc's in the house with the same public ip will have the
>>>>> same filters.  You could always active a vpn or proxy on your
>>>>> own pc though and bypass your own filter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite these limitations, I found the service extremely
>>>>> useful and wouldn't want to be without it with a child in the
>>>>> house. You could gang other technologies on top of this, if you
>>>>> wish. I still have it active, even though my child has moved
>>>>> out, to filter out rubbish that I might hit accidentally.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is slightly off topic to the original question, but I'd
>>>>> consider a certain amount of monitoring of my kid's
>>>>> communications online.  Chat, email, facebook, whatever.  How
>>>>> much is up to you.  I'd also set rules on who it was
>>>>> appropriate to communicate with.  Again, up to personal
>>>>> discretion.  You can get books about how to deal with these
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/14/2013 8:09 PM, Doug Hall wrote: 27" iMac is sweet. But I
>>>>> agree with Ron. There's no reason to buy ANYTHING if you use
>>>>> OpenDNS to filter content. I'm very satisfied with the free
>>>>> service. Okay, maybe paranoia is a reason. I wouldn't be
>>>>> surprised to know that OpenDNS is releasing records to the NSA.
>>>>> But then again, so could your current ISP. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013
>>>>> at 5:03 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:questy at gmail.com>> wrote: I do.  It's a slamming 27"
>>>>> iMac.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerald Sheets Sent from my iPhone5 On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:20
>>>>> PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerald, you're missing the entire point: Upgrade _your_ machine
>>>>> and give the old one to the young-uns. Put squid-guard on it
>>>>> and provide a pile of bookmarks they are interested in. :-)
>>>>> House Rule: Dad ALWAYS has the best hardware unless someone
>>>>> else is paying for it. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Neal
>>>>> Rhodes <neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>> wrote: I
>>>>> would think you could look for off-lease "no-os" refurb units
>>>>> on TigerDirect for maybe $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:22 -0400, Jerald Sheets wrote: Hi
>>>>> all. I've come to the point where my next generation o little
>>>>> ones will be going online, and I'm going to build me a content
>>>>> filtering firewall. (Ipcop) Thing is, I don't have any old
>>>>> hardware and need to get something, but anyth ing I would buy
>>>>> in a store would be overkill. I'm looking for something P3 or
>>>>> later, mid tower with one drive bay is fine and 4-8G of memory.
>>>>> Anyone have anything like that you'd like to unload? Jerald
>>>>> Sheets Sent from my iPhone5
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