[ale] totally OT: hobbies

[Doug Hall]

I hope everyone enjoyed my post. Just to be sure you know, I'm as harmless
as a lamb. I love everybody, and respect our differences as a positive
thing for our country. I AM conservative, and I do enjoy singing in my
church choir. (There had to be some truth there, to draw you in.) Oh, and I
hope this note satisfies the NSA. Please don't start interviewing my
neighbors. ;-)

Doug


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Sean Kilpatrick <kilpatms at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
> With all due respect, Ron and I have VERY different understandings of
> "due process."
>
> The FISA Court is a Star Chamber. Due Process doesn't exist there.
>
> The Fourth amendment reads this way:
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
> effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
> and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
> persons or things to be seized.
>
>  That is, the security guard at a courthouse may peer inside the lawyer's
> briefcase to look for a firearm or contraband but may NOT confiscate or
> copy the papers therein. In a similar manner, the government needs a
> warrant to inspect the contents of your personal "snail" mail.
>
> I believe, very strongly, that your laptop and/or your "smart" phone are
> the modern equivalent of a briefcase. They certainly meet the modern
> definition of "effects."
>
> We now know what many have surmised for a decade or more: The NSA is
> analyzing the metadata of nearly all of our electronic communications (of
> all kinds) without a warrant and is storing the contents of those
> communications for search at a later time if the situation seems to suggest
> that relevant data might be present. And the warrant for that search is
> signed by the FISA Court in its Star Chamber.
>
> The result is simple: your persons, houses, papers, and effects may and
> can be searched without a warrant issued by a court whose records are open
> to the public.
>
> Due Process has been tossed out the window.
>
> Sean
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:32:06 pm Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>
> > Yes, but, as far as I know, not being in the spook community, they're
>
> > not just vacuuming up every byte from every public server on the
>
> > planet. That would be prohibitively expensive and inefficient even
>
> > for the government. As I understand it, they've placed taps at key
>
> > intersections of the data flow of the internet, like gmail, verizon,
>
> > at&t, comcast, etc. That way, they get 90% of the info they're
>
> > interested in for 1/100 of the trouble and money.
>
> >
>
> > So, since this message went through gmail, it probably already resides
>
> > on an NSA hard drive. And, with all those juicy words, it may have
>
> > been "flagged" for further attention. To each his own, but, I'm not
>
> > sure poking the sleeping dragon is the best idea. They really do have
>
> > a critical mission to search for terrorists, with due process. I
>
> > appreciate that they're doing that. But, not only that, I remember
>
> > receiving an official letter from the FCC once that I wasn't
>
> > expecting. It was actually just a routine notice regarding my ham
>
> > radio license. But, just getting it was unnerving. In general, the
>
> > less communications I get from the govt., the better.
>
> >
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> >
>
> > Ron
>
> >
>
>
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