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Tue Nov 13 08:16:38 EST 2012
of Windows people have switch to Mac and been productive is a short<br>
learning cycle. That suggests a new desktop _can_ be learned.<br>
<br>
But admins are another group altogether.<br>
<br>
How things are done behind the scenes is really, REALLY different<br>
between windows, Linux and Mac (and Solaris/Oracle, and between Linux<br>
variants, etc). The tools that exist to support admins for large scale<br>
deployments are radically different between the systems as the<br>
philosophy is extremely radically different between the systems.<br>
<br>
So I would put forward that the wholesale adoption of Linux will<br>
depend on the retraining of the existing admins so they are willing to<br>
tell upstream "sure, Linux will be useful here".<br>
<br>
Ha! Then maybe the Mac admins can work somewhere other than retail! =C2=A0<=
br>
8D<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Lightner, Jeff<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:JLightner at dsservices.com" target=3D"_blank">JLightner=
@dsservices.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
While I=E2=80=99d like to think Windows is on the way out I will say that t=
his<br>
isn=E2=80=99t the first time its demise has been predicted.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Unf=
ortunately<br>
there are way too many people (organizations especially) that are not<br>
willing to pull the plug because of the learning curve.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I know<=
br>
you=E2=80=99ll all say that Linux is easier etc=E2=80=A6 but the fact is MO=
ST users<br>
don=E2=80=99t really understand computers and making them learn ANYTHING ne=
w<br>
is quite difficult.=C2=A0=C2=A0 (If you don=E2=80=99t believe that find out=
how long it<br>
took most organizations to get their executives off a blackberry<br>
products =E2=80=93 if they have.)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
I recall just a few years back where China and other governments were<br>
planning on making their own Linux distros but never saw much traction<br>
on that.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s funny how things go.=C2=A0 M$=E2=80=99 stated reasoning for cr=
eating NT was to<br>
take over the UNIX market.=C2=A0 Instead they killed off Novell.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Linux on<br>
the other hand has made deep inroads into the former UNIX markets<br>
mainly because the admins that do one can do the other.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org" target=3D"_blank">ale-bounces@=
ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org" target=3D"_blank=
">ale-bounces at ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Jim Kinney<br>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:11 AM<br>
To: Atlanta User Group (E-mail)<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Chinese government recommendation - Linux<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
Doc format is often required when there will be editing done. Often<br>
recruiters will strip contact data or even change layout. Internally,<br>
some places will add notes to r=C3=A9sum=C3=A9s.<br>
<br>
On May 17, 2014 11:06 PM, "Boris Borisov" <<a href=3D"mailto:b=
ugyatl at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bugyatl at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I cannot count how many times is been required to send resume in .DOC<br>
format when I'm applying for IT positions. And this are people from<br>
IT. For government folk will take a lot more.<br>
<br>
On 5/18/14, Jay Lozier <<a href=3D"mailto:jslozier at gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">jslozier at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Requiring open formats is actually OS agnostic but any movement in<br>
that<br>
> direction makes FOSS applications competitive. There was a UK<br>
proposal to<br>
> require ODF formats for all government documents a few months ago.<br>
There was<br>
> some discussion about this on the LO user list and the consensus was<b=
r>
it<br>
> would hurt MS as it evens the playing field for all office suites<br>
Many<br>
> assumed if adopted that other vendors would be able to add ODF<br>
support<br>
> rather easily and FOSS alternatives (LO, AOO, and Calligra) would be<b=
r>
> competing on merits. It would help Linux because the FOSS office<br>
suites on<br>
> Linux all use ODF as their native format However, on the LO user<br>
list, I<br>
> think the consensus was users would be more likely to switch suites<br=
>
rather<br>
> than OSes if the proposal was adopted.<br>
><br>
> On 05/17/2014 07:22 PM, Wolf Halton wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> If several governments start requiring open formats, that will hel=
p<br>
too.<br>
>> Windows is on a downward trajectory.=C2=A0 They cannot decide if t=
hey<br>
want to<br>
>> stay on the desktop/laptop horse or fully commit to the<br>
phone/tablet<br>
>> horse, so they are about to find themselves on their collective<br=
>
butts<br>
>> between the ruts of the trails of those 2 horses, running away.<br=
>
>><br>
>> Wolf Halton<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Jay Lozier <<a href=3D"mailto:=
jslozier at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jslozier at gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I saw a link to this article on Softpedia (from Ostatic):<br>
>>><br>
>>><a href=3D"http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-Government-Sa=
ys-on-TV-that-Windows-X" target=3D"_blank">http://news.softpedia.com/<u></u=
>news/Chinese-Government-Says-<u></u>on-TV-that-Windows-X</a><br>
P-Users-Must-Choose-Linux-<u></u>441889.shtml<br>
>>><br>
>>> The article noted the Chinese government is beginning to push<=
br>
Chinese XP<br>
>>> users to consider adopting Linux. It did note that many user<b=
r>
preferred<br>
>>> applications do not have a Linux version currently available. =
But<br>
often<br>
>>> there are FOSS equivalents available that are suitable for man=
y<br>
users. It<br>
>>> also noted that Russia and Germany are actively pursuing Linux=
.<br>
>>><br>
>>> My take is this is probably what Linux needs to get market<br>
traction; a<br>
>>> very large market to switch to Linux. If the Chinese convert t=
o<br>
mostly<br>
>>> Linux hardware vendors and commercial software vendors will ne=
ed<br>
to<br>
>>> support Linux or abandon the Chinese market. Other than the<br=
>
unmentionable<br>
>>> I believe most vendors will follow market trends. If the trend=
s is<br>
>>> towards Linux, they will follow.<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Jay Lozier<br>
>>> <a href=3D"mailto:jslozier at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jslozi=
er at gmail.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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