[ale] Political and OFF TOPIC

Wed Nov 21 09:48:49 EST 2012

Hi Jeff,

I reread the original post and, I guess there isn't much political cheerleading in there, a little, perhaps.  Any political posts can be divisive.  However, I see your point.  I'll drop it unless I have something FLOSS specific to talk about.

Ron

"Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com> wrote:

>Your two posts now have both been OFF TOPIC to the original post which
>was relating the campaign to technology.
>
>Using that post as an excuse for failed Republican scare tactics that
>didn't win the election is specious at best.
>
>All Doctors and Nurses are NOT going to quit in protest of Obamacare
>any more than all  the rest of us who disagreed with trickle down
>economics were going to close our bank accounts and quit our jobs in
>protest if the other guy had won.
>
>Please let's NOT turn this into a political forum - No one ever
>convinces any one that they're right.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Ron
>Frazier (ALE)
>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:06 AM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>Subject: Re: [ale] Political but on topic... How Team Obama's tech
>efficiency left Romney IT in dust
>
>At least we're just pissing and moaning.  It's still November, after
>all.  Many representatives of the public on the other side of the fence
>promised riots if they lost.
>
>Warning - ranting follows.
>
>I'm trying to figure out how I'll pay my bills if (when) my taxes go up
>radically and how I'll get healthcare if (when) they drive Blue Cross,
>Cigna, Aetna, etc. out of business.  Yeah, they're profiteers,
>sometimes even bloodsucking and overbearing.  (By the way, there's
>nothing wrong with reasonable profit, else why be in business.)  But,
>the fact remains that, right now, my family has coverage, and, if
>needed, can get access to state of the art medicine and only pay for a
>small portion out of pocket for it.  EVERY nation that has tried
>nationalized health care has failed miserably.  Look at Canada.  People
>there have to wait months to get critical care, sometimes don't get it
>at all, and sometimes cross the border into the USA to get the care
>they need, if they can afford it.
>
>My Dad, who's studied the Obamacare issue a bit, says he'll have to
>either pay $ 2000 per year for a health care policy, which he probably
>cannot afford, or pay the IRS (of all people) an $ 800 fine, which he
>also cannot afford.  Those increased mandatory expenses may very well
>keep him from paying for some other critical things until he can
>improve his finances.  Some choice.
>
>One more thing.  The manager of a local restaurant said the owner is
>considering whether he can even stay in business if he has to provide
>mandatory health care for all employees.  As an alternative, he can
>demote all employees below 30 hours / week so they don't fall under the
>mandatory rules.  The taxes and overhead caused by the new legislation
>WILL drive many small businesses out of business, and, very likely,
>deepen or extend the recession.
>
>Yes, happy times are here ... right.
>
>End of rant.
>
>Ron
>
>
>Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Open Source: Bringing down "The Man" one election at a time.
>>
>>Glad I didn't drink the Koch bros koolaid. I voted for the moderate
>>republican policy list from a now 2 term president.  Must suck donkey
>>balls to have voted for the other guy.
>>
>>BWAHAHAHA!
>>
>>Gov head count about the same. Health insurance still run by
>>profiteering heartless scum. Freedom eroded more by Patriot Act and
>TSA
>>than all else combined. Economy stinks since not enough people making
>>$50k and too many making $1M+ since investment doesn't create jobs
>>unless it's IPO or new small business. My RedHat IPO purchase created
>>more jobs than Bain Capital did in 10 years.
>>
>>The election is OVER
>>Time to stop pissing and moaning and get to work making the world a
>>better place. Another banker with another million is not a starting
>>place.
>>On Nov 20, 2012 11:37 PM, "Ron Frazier (ALE)" <
>>atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Too bad.  We're getting more socialism, more big government, more
>>taxes,
>>> less freedom, and weaker defense by the minute.  A year from now,
>our
>>> healthcare system will  be decimated.  If you need medical care and
>>still
>>> have good insurance, better use it now.
>>>
>>> The open source stuff is cool though.
>>>
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>> I am not trying to start a flame war, and I'm sure others may
>>disagree.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw at WittsEnd.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >What ever your political leanings, there is no question that the
>>> >Republican IT efforts with their project ORCA was an unmitigated
>>> >disaster.  What's very interesting is ARS Technica's examination of
>>the
>>> >Obama IT infrastructure and what they did while spending less
>money.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/how-team-obamas-t
>>ech-efficiency-left-romney-it-in-dust/
>>> >
>>> >It gets really interesting when they get into the use of Linux
>>(Ubuntu)
>>> >servers and OpenSource tools...
>>>
>>>
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Please excuse my potential brevity.

(To whom it may concern.  My email address has changed.  Replying to former
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