[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Tue Mar 29 16:31:42 EDT 2011

And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
the happy sea of cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit.  I
bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50.  Small
shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
machinery at that price.  Corporations are certainly capable of
outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.

-- CHS

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yay! Aaron's back!
>
> Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>
>> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
>> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
>> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
>> >
>> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,
>> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
>> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.
>> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
>> >
>> > -- CHS
>> >
>>
>>
>> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
>> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
>> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
>> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
>> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
>>
>> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
>> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
>> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
>> every law and every institution of the good government that was
>> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
>> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
>> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
>> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
>>
>> peace
>> aaron
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
>> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of
>> >> their
>> >> governed that approached a majority.
>> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the
>> >> moon.
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
>> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
>> >>> with
>> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
>> >>>
>> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
>> >>> you
>> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to
>> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or
>> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to
>> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that
>> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
>> >>> which
>> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but
>> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my
>> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to
>> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
>> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
>> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property
>> >>> is
>> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated
>> >>> with creative work.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
>> >>>
>> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
>> >>> best
>> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;
>> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
>> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without government,
>> >>> our
>> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by
>> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
>> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers
>> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and
>> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not
>> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his
>> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this
>> >>> he
>> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
>> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
>> >>> security
>> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows
>> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,
>> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
>> >>> others.
>> >>>
>> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
>> >>>
>> >>> -- CHS
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> #!/jerald
>> >>>> Linux User #183003
>> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
>> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>> >>>> Version: 3.1
>> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
>> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
>> >>>> + !o !K--
>> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
>> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++ tv-(+)$>++
>> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
>> >>>> h(-)$>-
>> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
>> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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