[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Tue Mar 29 16:14:35 EDT 2011

Yay! Aaron's back!

Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
>
> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
> >
> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,
> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.
> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
> >
> > -- CHS
> >
>
>
> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
>
> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
> every law and every institution of the good government that was
> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
>
> peace
> aaron
>
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of
> >> their
> >> governed that approached a majority.
> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the
> >> moon.
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
> >>> with
> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
> >>>
> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
> >>> you
> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to
> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or
> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to
> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that
> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
> >>> which
> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but
> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my
> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to
> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property
> >>> is
> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated
> >>> with creative work.
> >>>
> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
> >>>
> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
> >>> best
> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;
> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without government,
> >>> our
> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by
> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers
> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and
> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not
> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his
> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this
> >>> he
> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
> >>> security
> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows
> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,
> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
> >>> others.
> >>>
> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
> >>>
> >>> -- CHS
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> #!/jerald
> >>>> Linux User #183003
> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
> >>>>
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> >>>> Version: 3.1
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> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
> >>>> + !o !K--
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> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++ tv-(+)$>++
> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
> >>>> h(-)$>-
> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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