[ale] .NET considered harmful

[Jim Kinney]

I took MSFT of my resume 'cause I never want to have touch it again. I was
asked in a recent interview what level of functionality I worked at in a
windows environment. I replied that I can replace windows with linux faster
than their windows admin can stop me.

They offered me the job during the interview :-)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Richard Bronosky <Richard at bronosky.com>wrote:

> I took MSFT off of my resume for the very reason of not wanting to have to
> justify it to people anymore.
> https://github.com/RichardBronosky/resume/blob/master/richard.paul.bronosky.resume.tex#L85
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Brian Schenken <brian.schenken at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No wordsmithery could make his silly prejudice reasonable.  He may be
>> looking for what you accept is a different breed, but he needs to
>> figure out how to articulate it without delving into his own emotional
>> bias.  Having written in  .net is not evidence of some sort of
>> weakness.
>>
>> Yeah, there's a tremendous market for worthless certs that has
>> polluted IT's and other's talent pools.  The quality of education out
>> there has nothing to do with the value of any given technology.
>> That's apples and oranges...
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2011, Don Lachlan
>> <ale-at-ale.org at unpopularminds.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:17 PM,  <brian.schenken at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I hate emotional evangelism like this... "dignified OS" OS's don't have
>> >> dignity, they have function - purpose. "every day spent learning a
>> Microsoft
>> >> kitchen takes TWO days to unlearn, " Bologna. Changing languages is
>> hard, it
>> >> doesn't matter from what to what. That's why I try not to work on more
>> than
>> >> one project at a time.
>> >
>> > You're talking about apples when he's talking about oranges and I
>> > think you completely missed his point.
>> >
>> > Seeing .NET on a resume triggers a "Why?" question in his head that he
>> > wants answered. If it's sprinkled inside a dozen others, it's likely
>> > easy to explain away - "Employer X wanted Product Y and .NET was a
>> > requirement." OTOH, if's .NET is alone or in a short list of languages
>> > on a resume, it's likely exactly what he's concerned about. Same issue
>> > has been seen with other "easy" languages like Perl, PHP, Java, VB,
>> > etc.. Nothing new there.
>> >
>> > But more than that, he's looking for something special. For the people
>> > he's looking for, changing languages is not hard. Takes time, some
>> > effort, but not hard. It's the difference between a computer scientist
>> > and a programmer. Real the Joel on Software piece and it's the same
>> > thing - Joel is looking for computer scientists and universities are
>> > churning out programmers because there are a lot more jobs for
>> > programmers than computer scientists.
>> >
>> >> There are times when .net is the best solution. Yep, BEST. And it's not
>> just
>> >> the crappy / redundant jobs, sometimes there's a really deep,
>> challenging
>> >> project (I'm talking working with sockets, threads, file I/O here - the
>> good
>> >> stuff) that would be best done with .net. There are times when fast,
>> stable,
>> >> perl would be better suited. On occasion you need free, and DIY - but
>> some
>> >> needs call for something bloaty, expensive and externally supported.
>> The
>> >
>> > Sure, I could write a web browser in Perl, but "Why?" Sure, I could
>> > write a mail server in PHP, but "Why?" .NET is a nice platform with
>> > some great uses. Hey, if you're working in a homogenous environment,
>> > Microsoft Office and Exchange and ISS are killer. But would any of
>> > these be my preferred choice? Possible but unlikely.
>> >
>> >> If this guy were to interview me and ask me to
>> >> justify it I would turn the question back on him: "Can't you think of
>> any
>> >> scenario where .net would be the best choice?" If he says no or gives
>> some
>> >> McDonalds metaphor - I think I'd say he failed the interview.
>> >
>> > Strawman argument. The author states there are cases where .NET is the
>> > preferred choice, such as Windows Mobile 7 apps. You are full of fail.
>> >
>> > OTOH, if you can't justify your choice for .NET, if your answer to
>> > "Why?" is "Because," you aren't the material he's looking for. You
>> > don't even understand what that material is.
>> >
>> > -L
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ale mailing list
>> > Ale at ale.org
>> > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>> > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at
>> > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at
>> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>
>
>
> --
> .!# RichardBronosky #!.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at
> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo
>
>


-- 
-- 
James P. Kinney III
I would rather stumble along in freedom than walk effortlessly in chains.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.ale.org/pipermail/ale/attachments/20110329/53593f1f/attachment-0001.html