[ale] C Compiler for Linux

Sun Jun 26 22:12:53 EDT 2011

On 06/26/2011 09:26 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> A suggestion on gaining skills in vim:
>
>        don't use anything but vim
>
> gedit is a good tool for doing cut-n-paste from firefox and the like 
> when the goal is to assemble an array of disconnected info to be used 
> in another format like LOwriter. But for coding, not so good. (and to 
> think I first coded in pico and designed to work around the 
> line-length limits of pico)
>
> There is also gvim which is vim with an X-windows environment. Works 
> just like vim from a shell but also has menus you can use when you 
> can't recall the commands. Importantly, it shows the cli-version 
> commands to use as the menu shortcuts so you learn vim.
Now that sounds like my speed. I can never remember stuff like that, I'm 
lucky if I remember that my name is Sam,,,or is it George? Or maybe Bob 
spelled backwards..........
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ron Frazier 
> <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     JD,
>
>     Thanks for all this info.  I'm saving it for the time when I need it.
>     Thanks too, for the offer of help.  I may take you up on it at some
>     point.  Until I get more thoroughly into VIM, do you know anything
>     about
>     using gedit for editing?
>
>     To the others who've replied to my posting, thank you, whether I
>     personally replied to every one or not.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Ron
>
>     On 6/24/2011 10:33 PM, JD wrote:
>     > On 06/24/2011 05:09 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hi Rich,
>     >>
>     >> Even though we've discussed some of this on the phone, I
>     thought I'd
>     >> share it with the group.
>     >>
>     >> I've been threatening to relearn programming for 15 years, and I'm
>     >> hoping to actually carry out the threat.  15 years ago, I
>     programmed in
>     >> Clipper, a C like database language.  I posted a thread a few
>     months
>     >> back on this list talking about developing in C#.  However, the
>     people
>     >> here convinced me that C++ would be better.  I now hope to plow
>     through
>     >> the book "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" by Bjarne
>     >> Stroustrup (the inventor of C++).  I'm hoping to do cross platform
>     >> development.  I'm going to use Visual C++ Express on Windows,
>     which is
>     >> free.  On Linux, I've hit on the GCC compiler, as suggested by
>     others.
>     >> I don't know how to use the make system, at this point, but
>     compiling
>     >> small programs with a few source files seems to be very simple.  I
>     >> believe you can go through this entire book without an IDE.  I
>     know that
>     >> the gedit editor in Ubuntu does syntax highlighting and auto
>     indention
>     >> for C / C++ files.  I'll probably start out using that.  I may
>     also try
>     >> VIM as I've had just enough experience with VI in the past to be
>     >> dangerous.  (I basically know the insert, delete line, and
>     write file
>     >> commands.)  Obviously, I would have to learn more about VIM for
>     serious
>     >> programming, but you can do a lot with just those commands,
>     although not
>     >> very efficiently.  By the way, this book also talks about a cross
>     >> platform minimal graphics toolkit called FLTK (faster than light
>     >> toolkit, I think) which can be used to put basic windows and
>     buttons on
>     >> the screen, etc.  When I graduate to an IDE, I'll probably try
>     NetBeans
>     >> or Eclipse.  I believe Eclipse can run on Windows too.
>     >>
>     >>
>     > You don't need an IDE and when you are starting out, it
>     complicates and
>     > hides things that you really need to know.  You need 3 terminals.
>     >
>     > * Any good syntax highlighting editor in a window (vim, geany,
>     or cough
>     > emacs).  Geany does a halstat on functions and classes which is very
>     > useful without all the bloat that java-based IDEs bring.
>     > * in another term, use make
>     > * debugger like gdb or xxgdb if you want a GUI.  I haven't done
>     > debugging in years, so does xxgdb still exist?
>     >
>     > You also want to use a version control system. These days I like
>     BZR,
>     > but GIT is useful too.
>     >
>     > Vim is probably the most efficient editor ever created. You just
>     need to
>     > know how to use it. I've used many different editors of all sorts,
>     > brief, spf-edit, emacs, vi, Visual C++, geany, notepad++,
>     eclipse ...
>     > none of them compare to vim in the hands of a power user.  I
>     migrated
>     > from emacs to vim when I kept changing into vi-mode to get
>     things done.
>     > Anyway, an editor is a very personal decision and you'll need to
>     pick
>     > the best for yourself.
>     >
>     > You can start with simple bash scripts to build your initial
>     projects.
>     > It isn't like they will be all that large or take more than a
>     few seconds.
>     > make ... ah, make.  tabs matter.  Be certain that your editor isn't
>     > "helping you" by replacing tabs with spaces. If that happens, your
>     > Makefile will never work. I think gmake is the default make in
>     Linux,
>     > which is good.  It has been more than a few years since I wrote any
>     > makefiles, but if you provide a sample and ask a question, I can
>     help.
>     > I may even have a makefile template around here on an old CD
>     backup from
>     > work ... long ago.
>     >
>     >
>
>     --
>
>     (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might
>     want to
>     call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate
>     energy
>     mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new messages very
>     quickly.)
>
>     Ron Frazier
>
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> James P. Kinney III
>
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> consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as 
> they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the 
> outcome.
> - ////2011 Noam Chomsky
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