[ale] Backups (What are you using?)
Crawford Rainwater
crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com
Tue Jan 27 15:22:48 EST 2009
Okay, I am chiming in late on this thread.
To answer the original question, "is anyone using Bacula?", yes we have some clients that asked for such. Not too bad, takes some getting use to, and if you have the passwords out of sync somewhere a pain to trouble shoot where that happened. Aside from that, no major problem. This is Bacula on CentOS, Ubuntu, and Windows Server systems for reference.
What do we prefer though you might ask? Well, Amanda (Community version) and Zmanda (Enterprise version). Why? Because one does not need Amanda to restore a backup (file or tape) since it uses PGP and bzip2 or gzip (your preference). To compare, Bacula needs Bacula to restore from a backup which we saw as a possible "con" or negative. Additionally, Zmanda allows one to backup to the Amazon S3 Cloud which for some of our clients with multiple GBs of daily increments (medical based clients for those wondering)...this saves on definite tape expenses. So those were nice "pro" points.
Just some food for thought. If folks want more or even some Zmanda licenses (Linux ETC is a Zmanda reseller) feel free to email me directly off list.
--- Crawford
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----- ale-request at ale.org wrote:
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:42:03 -0500
> From: Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Backups (What are you using?)
>
> Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> implementation time. LOL
>
>
> 5. *Enterprise Backup Solution* - http://bacula.org/en/
>
> This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> environment that has 20 or more servers.
>
> Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> 12-bay
> storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> backup
> software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the data.
> It
> emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the
> storage pool
> concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage
> will
> always been online and serve as the main online storage for the
> backup
> solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it
> will be
> treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy to
> that
> storage pool it writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the drives
> are
> full they can be taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with
> new
> ones. The hard disks will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box at
> a
> bank. The bank will provide higher security, and will compensate
> [Company
> Name] if the data is stolen. The other servers will run a backup
> client that
> will communicate to the server when it needs a restore or backup.
> Backup
> schedules can be set for the all clients.
>
>
>
> *Cost Estimate:*
>
> *OFF-LINE Storage*
>
> SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
>
> Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
>
> 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> 469.00
>
> 4TB = 540.00
>
> Total = 1053.00
>
>
> Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
>
>
> *ON-LINE Storage*
>
> 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> with
> expander 1800.00
>
> Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
>
> 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
>
> 6TB = 820.00
>
> Total = 3406.00
>
>
> Grand Total = 4459.00
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon Colbert
> <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it
> is
> > implementation time. LOL
> >
> >
> > 5. *Enterprise Backup Solution* - http://bacula.org/en/
> >
> > This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> > environment that has 20 or more servers.
> >
> > Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> 12-bay
> > storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source
> Enterprise backup
> > software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the
> data. It
> > emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the
> storage pool
> > concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage
> will
> > always been online and serve as the main online storage for the
> backup
> > solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it
> will be
> > treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy
> to that
> > storage pool it writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the
> drives are
> > full they can be taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with
> new
> > ones. The hard disks will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box
> at a
> > bank. The bank will provide higher security, and will compensate
> [Company
> > Name] if the data is stolen. The other servers will run a backup
> client that
> > will communicate to the server when it needs a restore or backup.
> Backup
> > schedules can be set for the all clients.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Cost Estimate:*
> >
> > *OFF-LINE Storage*
> >
> > SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
> >
> > Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
> >
> > 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> 469.00
> >
> > 4TB = 540.00
> >
> > Total = 1053.00
> >
> >
> > Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
> >
> >
> > *ON-LINE Storage*
> >
> > 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> with
> > expander 1800.00
> >
> > Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
> >
> > 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
> >
> > 6TB = 820.00
> >
> > Total = 3406.00
> >
> >
> > Grand Total = 4459.00
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm surprised no one has added the "I don't do backups 'cause all
> the
> >> important stuff is in-my-head/hardcopy".
> >>
> >> NASA has a truly horrid backup problem. They have so much data
> that
> >> the media is beginning to fail before they can get back around to
> >> transfer it to another format. There is stuff from the early
> Mercury
> >> and Gemini days that is not searchable as it is on paper (that is
> >> rotting away - pre acid-free days) and much of the moon landing
> data
> >> that is electronic is on tape media with no remaining drives that
> >> function.
> >>
> >> Imagine needing to backup dozens of TB that is readable at only
> 2-3Kb/s!
> >>
> >> 2009/1/26 Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > Today I proposed a new backup solution using Bacula. Does anyone
> have
> >> Bacula
> >> > deployed in their environment? I just wanted to see what everyone
> else
> >> is
> >> > using.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Ale mailing list
> >> > Ale at ale.org
> >> > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> James P. Kinney III
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ale mailing list
> >> Ale at ale.org
> >> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >>
> >
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> From: "Jeff Lightner" <jlightner at water.com>
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> "industry standard" - Not sure I buy that.
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> It seems clear there are people using it but from my work in the
> "industry" it is not the "standard".
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Brandon Colbert
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:42 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Backups (What are you using?)
>
>
>
> Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> implementation time. LOL
>
>
>
> 5. Enterprise Backup Solution - http://bacula.org/en/
>
> This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> environment that has 20 or more servers.
>
> Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> 12-bay
> storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> backup software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of
> the
> data. It emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses
> the
> storage pool concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay
> RAID
> storage will always been online and serve as the main online storage
> for
> the backup solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set
> (JBOD),
> and it will be treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the
> off-site copy to that storage pool it writes it to one of the 4
> drives.
> Once all the drives are full they can be taken out (hot-swapping
> online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks will be taken to
> a
> fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide higher
> security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen.
> The
> other servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the
> server when it needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set
> for the all clients.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cost Estimate:
>
> OFF-LINE Storage
>
> SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
>
> Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
>
> 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> 469.00
>
>
> 4TB = 540.00
>
> Total = 1053.00
>
>
>
> Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
>
>
>
> ON-LINE Storage
>
> 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> with
> expander 1800.00
>
> Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
>
> 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
>
> 6TB = 820.00
>
> Total = 3406.00
>
>
>
> Grand Total = 4459.00
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon Colbert
> <colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> implementation time. LOL
>
>
>
> 5. Enterprise Backup Solution - http://bacula.org/en/
>
> This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> environment that has 20 or more servers.
>
> Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> 12-bay
> storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> backup software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of
> the
> data. It emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses
> the
> storage pool concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay
> RAID
> storage will always been online and serve as the main online storage
> for
> the backup solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set
> (JBOD),
> and it will be treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the
> off-site copy to that storage pool it writes it to one of the 4
> drives.
> Once all the drives are full they can be taken out (hot-swapping
> online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks will be taken to
> a
> fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide higher
> security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen.
> The
> other servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the
> server when it needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set
> for the all clients.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cost Estimate:
>
> OFF-LINE Storage
>
> SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
>
> Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
>
> 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> 469.00
>
>
> 4TB = 540.00
>
> Total = 1053.00
>
>
>
> Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
>
>
>
> ON-LINE Storage
>
> 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> with
> expander 1800.00
>
> Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
>
> 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
>
> 6TB = 820.00
>
> Total = 3406.00
>
>
>
> Grand Total = 4459.00
>
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> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised no one has added the "I don't do backups 'cause all the
> important stuff is in-my-head/hardcopy".
>
> NASA has a truly horrid backup problem. They have so much data that
> the media is beginning to fail before they can get back around to
> transfer it to another format. There is stuff from the early Mercury
> and Gemini days that is not searchable as it is on paper (that is
> rotting away - pre acid-free days) and much of the moon landing data
> that is electronic is on tape media with no remaining drives that
> function.
>
> Imagine needing to backup dozens of TB that is readable at only
> 2-3Kb/s!
>
> 2009/1/26 Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Today I proposed a new backup solution using Bacula. Does anyone
> have
> Bacula
> > deployed in their environment? I just wanted to see what everyone
> else
> is
> > using.
> >
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> James P. Kinney III
>
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