[ale] OT: Voting machines cracked in California

[Jeff Hubbs]

I agree.  The point is that you can take steps against ballot stuffing 
and other forms of election tampering with physical ballots, whereas the 
inherently opaque nature of electronic voting machines make them not 
only unverified but unverifiable. 

With paper ballots, what you hope to achieve is a situation where 
"failure modes" (by which I mean, voting integrity breaks) require a 
"vast conspiracy," such that it would be hard to have a large number of 
people keep a secret.  It's when the number of secret-holding people 
narrows down that you can reasonably become concerned.

JK wrote:
> Ned Williams wrote:
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>> If you read one of the many article news.google referred on this, you will
>> note some very valid comments...
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>> paper fraud is more common than electric as it stands and has stood for
>> years..ballot stuffing....been around for awhile.
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> Since none of the existing electronic voting systems are secure
> or reliably auditable, we have no way of knowing how much electronic
> fraud has occurred.  So ISTM such comparisons are meaningless.
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> -- JK
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