[ale] Novell NetWare GroupWare

Sun May 29 23:45:43 EDT 2005

Are you talking about GroupWise only?
The GroupWise server components run on windows, netware or linux.
The linux small business includes groupwise, but I don't recommend that package, as it does not include the the key file and print advantages that Netware small business includes.  There is also no free starterpack version.

The Novell NetWare small business has everything integrateda nd running out of the box.
The sum of the components is much cheaper than the individual components, and for five users, free.

The novell support site and newsgroups provide an incredible wealth of support information, and per incident support is available 24X7.

Other than NetWare small business, you can use Novell OES, which provides services on the Linux or NetWare kernel, but OES does not run on windows, it is either linux or kernel based.
NetWare small business and Small business for linux are two entirely different products, and small business for linux really is really only sles9 with groupwise and a slick install setup.  It also includes NLD licenses.

These products are much more admin friendly than the previous novell products you may have been aware of.  Easily much friendlier than windows networking.

-jt

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
678-697-9420

>>> runman at speedfactory.net  >>>
I have 2 questions

QUESTION # 1
	I see that it can run on Windows or it's installed from an ISO image using
Suse Enterprise Server.  However the directions for Novell Small Business
Server seem to show that it's installed only in the later manner.  Is this
true ??  I ask as I need some features in GroupWare that are only on the
Windows version. Yes, as much as it pains me to make the main server in the
house a windows box I am willing if it makes my life easier ...

QUESTION # 2 (and maybe some things to clarify Novell and why to use / not
use it)

	Just what advantages does Novell have over someone simply cobbling together
it's components ??? or why is Novell Small Business Server greater than the
sum of it's parts ?  I can guess some of the advantages / disadvantages
(depending on what how you see things) :

	* Support - just call Novell as opposed to finding someone that knows Linux
or Windows (depending on what you are running Novell on).
	* Novell added features in the areas of security (yes ? no ?)
	* The nice Novell GUI administration screens and programs.
	* Maybe Novell stuff "just works" as opposed to getting cups, Apache, Java,
SAMBA, etc to work.  I don't know - I am using a Debian derived system
(Libranet) with some added features so pretty much I have had no trouble
with anything except SAMBA - which I upgraded to the bleeding edge stuff and
configured myself.

	Any company which can take stuff and do the packaging and make it really
"user friendly" will sell it easily.  Novell forgot this and lost out to MS
in the early days.  Some folks don't want to be sysadmins and some sysadmins
want a framework (nice GUI's)  to make their lives easier.  But I guess
others want the close to bare metal command line everything in text files
type system. Right now I want the easy way as I don't have time to play with
the do-it-all-yourself system (been there, done it, and got no time for it
now).

Greg

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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
Michael B. Trausch
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Novell NetWare GroupWare

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James Taylor wrote:
> The last three versions of Novell have been user object licenses
> rather than server or connection licenses.  If I need another server,
> I just add it.
>
> You pay the same price for X number of users for 10,000 servers as
> you do for one.
>
> Also, in my Novell clustered environments, I can can distribute
> applications at will between servers that are participating almost at
> will.
>

Well, that's good to know.  I knew that they were licensed per each
user, but I made the assumption that you could also only have x
instances of a server, as well, as that's typical.

And distributed applications are good, but is application selection
similar to that of other operating systems?  I know it certainly was
very limited what you could do with a Novell server.

However, I still maintain that it's not software that I would use.  That
there are others that would like to move away from it, well, I can't say
as though I could blame them.  I didn't like it much myself when I
interacted with it.

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