[ale] Debian 3.0 as a server platform?

[Raylynn Knight]

On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 19:26 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 17:25 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> > I never recommend using the testing branch. When things break in
> > testing it can take a while for them to be unbroken. In fact, I only
> > ever recommend stable and then only for server use. Depending on the
> > person, I will either recommend Ubuntu or SuSE for the casual user.
> > So, if it is found in the testing directory structure I would only
> > recommend it if you are willing to work with potentially broken
> > software. Which is why I didn't point out those ISOs originally.
> 
> I still think that you are thinking of that directory as being part of
> the Debian Testing release, not just testing/playing/hacking, etc.  The
> fact that all the files share the same date suggest to me that it is
> "testing" as in hacking, rather than "Testing" as in a release version.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
This testing directory is for testing the new installer which works with
both sarge and sid.  Thats why there are both sarge and sid images.  The
new installer will have a stable release when sarge releases.  

> > 
> > On 6/4/05, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 13:22 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> > > > I won't even begin speculating on that one. Someone was probably just
> > > > building it for, erm, testing purposes.
> > > 
> > > You are probably correct.  However, that just shows you the craziness
> > > associated with having a version named "Testing"  ;-)  I do fully
> > > understand the Debian distro, I just easily see all the things that
> > > frustrate people and keep a sizable number from jumping on board.
> > > 
> > > One other thing.... so, if the contents of that directory was for
> > > "testing purposes" what integrity is associated with the ISOs contained
> > > therein?  Raylynn posted those URLs, surely with good intentions, but
> > > the reality is those ISOs could contain wild/mild/broken things.  Who
> > > really knows?  At least with RH (and presumably Suse, etc) you do see
> > > very clean crisp archive structures, and verify file integrity across
> > > mirrors is never a problem.
> > > 
> > > -Jim P.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > On 6/4/05, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 13:06 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> > > > > > Sid will never be stable.
> > > > > > It will always be unstable. Woody is the
> > > > > > current stable, Sarge is the upcoming stable, and Etch will be the
> > > > > > next testing. Sid will remain unstable.
> > > > >
> > > > > My mistake (although one could say this is yet another Debian nuance),
> > > > > Still what is Unstable doing in a cdimage-testing dir?  One would think
> > > > > that cdimage-testing/ is where the Testing version is.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jim P.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/4/05, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 03:54 -0400, Raylynn Knight wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 20:41 -0400, James Sumners wrote:
> > > > > > > > > If you find a pre-built Sparc image I would be surprised. The last
> > > > > > > > > time I decided to play around and (try to) install Debian on a Sparc I
> > > > > > > > > had to use a full CD.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sarge image is available at
> > > > > > > > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/sparc/rc3/sarge-sparc-netinst.iso
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Raylynn,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This shows some of the more interesting aspects of using Debian.
> > > > > > > Currently "Testing" is Sarge.  So one would expect to find
> > > > > > > sarge-sparc-netinst.iso in a cdimage-testing directory.  Also in that
> > > > > > > cdimage-testing directory is a current(?) archive of Sid (Stable).
> > > > > > > What's that doing in a cdrom-testing directory?  And why is Sid dated
> > > > > > > 03-Jun-2005?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess my point is this:  With Debian, things just aren't always clear
> > > > > > > and well explained. ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Jim P.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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