[ale] Get this, guys...

[Jerald Sheets]

I don't have to.  I make more.

"get Used to it" is a perennial problem that folks in
our industry need to remove from their vocabulary. 
Continually taking that kind of money for
all-inclusives is pricing everyone (including
yourself) out of the market.  In 15 years when you're
trying to feed your family, and you can't because
hiring managers think they can have Sr. IT people for
30k (based in part on your contribution to the
problem), I'll bet your attitude will be quite
different.

This happened in the 80's to those of us who were
electronics techs.  We had a nice living in Baton
rouge (at the time) at $10/hr.  (Hey...I was 20)  As
people started to get out of the military with
high-end electronics training, they'd take the same
gigs for 7-9$/hr, and completely took the market from
we who had been doing it in town for awhile.  Sure,
they had the jobs and were happy then, but a mere 5
years later, they were moaning and complaining they
couldn't break the ceiling.

they caused the problem, then they had to live with
it.  don't let it happen to you too.

--J


--- Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hey, I phone-interviewed with a place in NC that
> wanted to pay $45K for
> a do-everything IT manager.  I politely informed the
> gentlemen that I
> was making over $60K when I was already doing many
> of the specific
> things they said they needed done (and that was
> Government!) and that I
> know a Windows admin in Norcross who's making ~48K
> without a degree. 
> They wouldn't budge.
> 
> Get used to it.
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 09:25, Jerald Sheets wrote:
> > Again...  $160/day gross. 
> > 
> > NO benefits.
> > NO travel (job is in oregon)
> > NO per deim for hotel & expenses.
> > 
> > I make around twice this now, and roughly break
> even
> > every month.
> > 
> > You guys should really go read the SAGE salary
> survey.
> >  I get the feeling everyone believes this is an
> > appropriate salary for a Sysadmin.   Nothing could
> be
> > further from the truth.  I'm really not the
> @$$hole
> > here.  Why is everyone so ready to take
> considerably
> > less than they're worth on this list?
> > 
> > I've met some of you.  MANY are worth more than
> the
> > 40k this yahoo was offering.
> > 
> > --J
> > 
> > 
> > --- Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > James P. Kinney III wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 20:12, Tony Carter
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >>C'mon $20.. You could live like a king...
> > > >>
> > > >>On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:19, Jerald
> Sheets
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Someone just tried to get me to come out and
> > > contract in Oregon for $20/hr.
> > > >>>No travel, no per deim, no bennies.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > $20/hr begins when you get in the car to drive
> > > there and ends when you
> > > > return home.
> > > 
> > > Now I can see billing for travel, but are you
> > > suggesting, 24 hour 
> > > billing? (I might be missing out on some out of
> town
> > > business!)
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Until later, Geoffrey
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