[ale] OT: Well it is going to hit the list sooner or later.

[J.M. Taylor]

When I am left alone with the cash register, I do not take money from it
even tho my boss cheats on his taxes and makes more than a million a year,
and pays me minimum wage, which barely, barely keeps me sheltered.  

This is perhaps naive and stupid. But that's the way it is.
jenn


On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Mike Panetta wrote:

> The only problem with that I can see is your boss will never sign a
> letter saying that you can spy on him.  So in effect this means its ok
> for higher ups to spy on and fire lower down people for slacking off (or
> doing whatever) and its not ok for lower down people to spy on and get
> higher up people fired for doing the same.  This is illogical and can
> create a bad climate (one that already exists, how many people do you
> know would be willing to rat out someone important in their company for
> doing something harmful to said company?) where stagnation and immoral
> and unhealty acts can be done by higher ups (and are) and cannot be
> stopped or watched by anyone else.
> 
> Who watches the watchers?
> 
> Oh, and why is what he did unethical?  Why is trying to save taxpayers (or
> in the case of a private company, shareholders) money by checking that
> someone is doing the job they are payed (and payed very highly 
> in the case of CEO's and such) to do, and not wasting money by slacking 
> off.  Why is it unethical for someone lower down in the company to use
> the means he has at hands (his knowledge) to check up on someone,
> while its not unethical for someone higher up in the company to use the
> means he has (someone elses knowledge) to check up on someone?
> 
> Basicly your saying its ok for the CEO's and other corperate bastards of
> the world to get rich by slacking off and telling us what to do, but its not
> ok for us to protect the company by turning them in when they waste the
> companys money by slacking off and doing no real work.  I think your
> sense of ethics is a bit off.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "J.M. Taylor" <jtaylor at onlinea.com>
> Sent: Aug 1, 2004 10:24 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Well  it is going to hit the list sooner or later.
> 
> 
> My interpretation of the SAGE code of ethics is the following: I do not
> read people's emails, even tho it is within my power.  I do not spy on
> people, even tho it is within my power and in many cases may prove their
> misdeeds.  I do not collect data on people's misdeeds even tho these
> people may be harming me on the job.  I do not make these decisions.  I
> just run the server.
> 
> If it is required of me that I do these things, I ask for a signed letter
> from a higher-up, or the law enforcement agency or whatever, to prove that
> I was not acting on my own.  It is never right for a systems administrator
> to give in to his or her baser nature and use their technical knowlege to
> further a complaint against a coworker, unless s/he has been asked to do
> this by a superior for legally and ethically correct reasons.
> 
> And yes, if my boss told me to gather data about someone that I knew was 
> goofing off all day but wouldn't give me the signed letter, I would refuse 
> to do it even if it meant my job.  That's how strongly I feel about the 
> importance of my integrity in what I do.  It's also just CYA -- when the 
> fit hits the shan and it's my word against my boss's about who ordered 
> collecting the data....no way am I going to get involved in that.  I'm 
> not completely stupid.
> 
> IMNSHO this guy isn't a saint or a martyr.  He did something
> unethical, and unethical acts are unethical regardless of the motivating
> reasons.  If you steal from your company and give the money to starving
> people, it's still stealing.  If all he did was send emails about the
> boss, maybe he should've taken the time to actually go speak to someone
> face-to-face.  If he had gotten the go-ahead from a higher-up to do this,
> then it would've been fine.  It sucks that the boss didn't get fired, but
> ALDOT was entirely correct in firing the admin.
> 
> Jenn
> </end>
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Jenn Taylor
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