[ale] couple questions

Mon Mar 17 11:04:52 EST 2003

For the sake of putting in my two cents worth, here goes.

On March 1, 2003 we received notice from Johan Haagsma of Spamhaus.org
that we had a client on dedicated servers at 66.163.243.64/28 that was
considered by them to be a "bulk hoster".  On about 3/4/03 we removed
them and we have since notified spamhaus that this was done.

SPEWS on the other hand lists all of the blocks owned by our upstream
provider and therefore lists us (as shown below) by RELATED, I guess
meaning that we get our netblocks from our upstream therefore we're
related.  Well, since SPEWS provides no legitimate removal mechanism and
is based on the whim of some child in a newsgroup to determine the
validity of the listings, I'm not compelled to take much in the way of
action and anyone that would consider using the SPEWS list as an RBL
list would find that a majority of the Internet is unreachable by
e-mail.

In as much as spam is an irresponsible use of the Internet, I believe
that SPEWS is an irresponsible RBL.  I find this type of abusive RBL as
viable as the Anti-abortion people killing abortion doctors.

So, in part we are now in the process of getting our own blocks from
ARIN.  While I'm not sure that we can qualify yet, we will wait and see.

Regards,
Cary

On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 21:23, David Bronson wrote:
> I agree with the bad neighbor principal, but when you are the landlord
> who is really to blame?
> 
> CustName:   Xilogix, LLC
> Address:    2226 Major Loring Way SW Marietta GA 30064
> Country:    US
> RegDate:    2002-11-24
> Updated:    2002-11-24
> 
> NetRange:   66.163.242.0 - 66.163.243.255 
> CIDR:       66.163.242.0/23 
> NetName:    LYIT-242-243
> NetHandle:  NET-66-163-242-0-1
> Parent:     NET-66-163-224-0-1
> NetType:    Reassigned
> Comment:    
> RegDate:    2002-11-24
> Updated:    2002-11-24
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 08:50:57PM -0500, bieb wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "James P. Kinney III" <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
> > To: Atlanta Linux "User Group (E-mail)" <ale at ale.org>
> > Date: 16 Mar 2003 20:42:05 -0500 
> > Subject: Re: Re: [ale] couple questions
> > 
> > This underscores the major fault with RBL's in general. As a spammer has
> > used multiple address within the same network as ALE, the entire network
> > get RBL'ed. This is expected as the spammers move around. Yet it is
> > completely contrary to the general principles in the US (innocent until
> > proven guilty).
> > 
> > It is due entirely to this by-product of RBL's that I can't use or
> > recommend them.  I would rather see 100 extra notices of barely legal
> > teens, ways to help Nigeria with it's cash flow problems, and herbal
> > viagra than lose a single piece of legitimate email due to huge
> > fallibility of RBL's.
> > 
> > Turn off RBL checks and rely on better heuristics from spamassassin.
> > 
> > On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 20:28, bieb wrote:
> > > Chris, The reason I am not getting mail is because ale.org has been RBL'ed. This to me is a big problem, many of the members of ALE are Sys Admins that are responsible for mail servers. Many are implementing different ways to kill spam, but if the group we are a member of is RBL'ed, then we can't receive its mail. 
> > > 
> > > Here is a link to specific instances that have landed ale.org on the
> > > spews rbl:
> > > http://openrbl.org/ip/66/163/243/242.htm
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Date: 16 Mar 2003 09:24:42 -0500 
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] couple questions
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I've seen this happen.  Sometimes it could be almost 6hours that I do
> > > not receive any ale mail.  Then bam! I get a pile of them from that 6
> > > hour period.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 21:48, bieb wrote:
> > > > In my other email account I haven't received mail since Thursday 3/16. I know there has been mail since then. My questions are: 
> > > > 1. Is there an archive of the mail??
> > > > 2. Has ale.org been RBL'ed???
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Harold
> > > >
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