[ale] Re: [CHAOS] Package Management System

[Debrihmi]

WOW!  I deff like what I hear..  Why limit when you can produce one Package
Manager that encompasses ALL formats - distribute it across the board and
people have an all-in-one CONSISTANT Package Manager without sacrificing
Variety and Flexibility..  Hmmm...  Niiiiice..

~
Debrihmi



On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 05:35:31 -0800, Derrick Wippler wrote
> Ok. Here is what I wan't in a package system.
> 
> The Power of "portage".
> And the Flexability of "tar ball".
> With the ease of a GUI. ( command line also of course. )
> 
> I Think that several package systems come close to this goal. But 
> miss the big picture.  this is because the most important piece of 
> the system is the on the developers side.
> 
> Currently that is the "GNUBuild" system and It needs a complete overhaul.
> Most developers don't prepackage rpms or debs or whatever because 
> they spend most of their time on the software. Once you have 
> configure and your "Makefile" finely tuned all you need to release 
> your proudly created software into the wild is a simple "make dist" 
> and BAMO.... Tar file. Slap on a server and bingo people in all 
> walks of the unix world can DL your shit, ./configure,  make and 
> install it to their custom distro. Why limit yourself by releasing a 
> package only a handful of distros can use. Could you imagine going 
> to an opensource project web site and all you could download was an 
> RPM or SRC-RPM ?  
> 
> Anyway.. Point is.. If you release your software as a package and 
> don't release the tar ball. Your limiting your flexabilty.. And that 
> is why I'm unhappy with the current package systems. 
> 
> For example I'm tring to install this great new software I found 
> called foobar. 
> 
> You type in "# rpm -i foobar.rpm"
> and rpm comes back with.
> "#"
> 
>    OK.. WTF? where did it install my binarys? in /usr/bin? 
> /usr/local/bin? /opt? maybe I didn't wan't it there? Maybe this is a 
> shared machine and I only wan'ted to install to my /home/thrawn/bin 
> directory because I don't have root access.
>  
>    BTW.... What is the name of the binary ... It didn't tell me... I 
> have no Icon on my desktop, no icon in my KDE menu. oh. yeah..  I 
> can guess by typing "whereis foobar" or "whereis "FoorBar" or 
> whereis "FOOBar" .....
> 
> Anyway you get my point. However with a tar ball you are in control.
> 
> vi INSTALL
> ./configure --prefix = /usr --without-bs1 --with-dumfeature -
> -install= /usr/bin/
> 
> make all;
> make install;
> 
> cd docs
> lynx index.html <-- Most good software has docs in html.
> 
> Again... If I use a package, I have no control. I'm left in the 
> dark. And that means uphappy users. We linux users LOVE our flexabilty.
> 
> So behold, my dream package system.
> 
> --------------------------------
> It would Build source:
> 	Configure Source for compilation on my system.
> 	Source Options like /configure --with-feature= --without-feature= 
> 
> it would Install Binarys:	
> 
> it would have Interactive questions/answers on software install options:
> 		Configration file locations.
> 		Binary install locations
> 		Ask for Menu icon location ( if applicable )
> 		Ask for optional Desktop location ( if applicable )
> 		Install as root or normal user?
> 
> For Developers:
> Creating a Package should be as easy as creating a spec file and 
> running "make binarypackage" or "make sourcepackage" no need for 
> "make dist" it's all included in the "source package" unlike SRC-RPM.
> 
> All of this available in GUI interface or Command line.
> Options for Silent install with resonable defaults specifed by a 
> distro specific roadmap. Example: Redhat kde apps go to /usr/bin/, 
> slackware kde apps go to /opt/  the system should lookup what distro 
> your installing with if any and install and configure specificly for 
> your distro.
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> Let me put this into prespective......
> 
> Imagine a windows installer " Install Shield " that would configure 
> source code, Compile it and install it to your specifications. Not 
> only the requesed software but the depedencys also.. With options 
> for uninstall and reconfigure. But it gets better! You can open a 
> dos window and install it from the command line. Your choice.
> 
> We could Call it the "CHAOS Build and Package system"
> Anyway I haven't posted anything to the list for a while.
> All this should make up for what I've missed in the past... 
> 
> Cheers!!!!!
> 
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 08:42, Drageon wrote:
> > Guess I'm the only one who really likes the portage system from gentoo?
> > Although it's not a real "package" system in the likes of RPM or .deb,
> > but it does have it's own way of managing what's installed via the
> > portage system, and as of late, they're adding in support for pre-built
> > packages to help you out (for things mainly like XFree, KDE, and GNOME).
> > I seriously wish more distros would try and use portage (or a portage
> > like system) by default, similar to what OpenBSD did with the FreeBSD
> > ports system. Just my 2 cents :)
> >
> > -- Drageon (drageon at disowned.net)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-chaos at chaos706.org [mailto:owner-chaos at chaos706.org] On
> > Behalf Of Eater
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:49 AM
> > To: Debrihmi; chaos at chaos706.org
> > Subject: Re: [CHAOS] Package Management System
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:37:39PM -0500, Debrihmi wrote:
> > > Does checkinstall work with all distros?  I might have to check it
> >
> > out..
> >
> > AFAIK
> 
> -- 
> A day without sunshine is like night.


~
Debrihmi
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