[ale] recovering an ext3 drive

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1. Your position is that "e2undel -d /dev/hda -s path -a -t" and that short 
list of directions that you gave is "easy" to understand and use?

My position is that e2undel is NOT easy to use for most computer users. 
Moreover, the program should be easy to use for someone with your mastery - 
regardless of how many files are being undeleted, or their location LIKE the 
competition's software. You had to write a short list to communicate to me 
"kindof" what that command is saying - and I still can't understand it 
without futher study. I do understand clicking icons (except when it comes to 
emacs - will someone please help me understand that program so I don't feel 
soooo incompetent) :). 
It sounds like you would also say "lynx" is as easy to use as "galeon."

2. You assert that it is the user's (or hardware's) fault that the data was 
deleted?

My position is that opinion is irrelevant. Software that's PURPOSE is to 
undelete should be easy to use by most computer users and work well.  

"Back up the data correctly and you will never have to use this confusing 
software (with four attributes and no GUI) that a software *programmer* can't 
easily use without any help."

I believe the day will come where undeleting data on Linux partitions will be 
as easy as it is in FAT32/FAT16 Windows. The position of "let the user suffer 
for their mistake of having to use the software" will (and should be) 
eliminated.

Desktop computers should be user friendly and somewhat forgiving.
The trend is that Linux, got a GUI and is becoming more user friendly.

Drew

P.S. I understand that you and other Linux users may never accept my position 
or the trend of user friendliness when it comes to data recovery. I write to 
clarify - not to argue against Linux or support Windows, and I have nothing 
further to add.

On Sunday 19 January 2003 18:41, Geoffrey wrote:
> ChangingLINKS.com wrote:
> > Yes. But as I recall, you needed help finding *where* the undeleted files
> > went (even as good as you are).
>
> It was quite a simple process, except for the fact that I was recovering
> such a large number of files.  As follows:
>
> e2undel -d /dev/hda -s path -a -t
>
> 1. Asks you for a user name of the deleted file.
> 2. Asks a deletion time interval (used to reduce the list of deleted items)
> 3. You are then provided a list of the deleted files, by name, and you
> enter the associated inode # for the file you want to undelete.  The
> inode and filename are show in a table format.
>
> > The last easy recovering tool that I used in
> > Windows was called "Recoverall" (I think). There were many other freeware
> > programs to choose from. Before that, I used something that was called
> > "undelete" which worked from the DOS prompt.
> >
> > NOTE: I said "easy" to use and "works well."
>
> Same would apply to e2undel.
>
> > It is okay for Windows to do something better than Linux. Logically, if
> > Windows was available before Linux - then there was a time that Windows
> > was better at *everything.* Hopefully, Linux will continue to grow and
> > there will be better software for undeleting data in the future.
> >
> > This will happen when we first accept that there IS a weakness.
>
> The weakness is in the user not properly backing up their data.  This is
> outlined extensively throughout Linux documentation.  The fact that a
> Windows user brings their poor habits with them to the Linux world does
> not indicate there is a problem with Linux.
>
> Whether you deleted the file yourself, or you lost a hard drive,
> reasonable back solutions will protect you in most cases.

-- 
Wishing you Happiness, Joy, and Laughter,
Drew Brown
http://www.ChangingLINKS.com
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