[ale] OT: So what about Java?

[mark]

Speaking of Java, the Unix Users Group Meeting, tomorrow @7:30 P.M. will
have a Presentation from Daniel Templeton, Sun Microsystems.  Topic, latest
developments in Java Technologies.  Go to http://www.auug.org/ for more
info!!

-- Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey" <esoteric at 3times25.net>
To: ale at ale.org
To: <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: So what about Java?


> Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> > I'm combing through dozens and dozens of job postings as per usual and I
> > see an awful lot of jobs that require Java knowledge as well as J2EE,
> > JavaScript, servlets, etc.
>
> Quick note, JavaScript and Java are two completely different languages.
>   There is no relationship.
>
> >
> > Is there anything about this Java mini-universe that simply cannot be
> > accomplished through other means that are not tightly tied to one
> > company or any company at all?
>
> I think Java is robust enough to do everything you want, it works well
> with the browser environment and it's (kinda) portable.
>
> >
> > I am old-school enough that I distrust languages that are not created
> > independently from any corporate interest.  I guess I had a bit of an
> > "ah-ha moment" WAAAAY back when I was first studying Pascal in the 1980s
> > - that a programming language can be committed to international
> > standardization  with all platform-specific implementations being
> > subservient to those standards, to the point that implementers would run
> > serious political and market-share risks if they "broke" their
> > implementation of a given language.
> >
> > Even when I was in high school, I recall that there were some definite
> > non-standardization among implementations of BASIC such that if you were
> > used to coding on Data General (as I did) and found yourself writing
> > code on another machine (as I did when participating in regional
> > programming contests), you needed to know to use parens instead of
> > brackets for array index values or whatever.
>
> I think C is about the most portable language I've ever used.  I've
> written C on 3b2s, *86, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX...  Java's been pretty much
> the same way for me as well.
> >
> > My opinion is that there is a deep dark danger associated with Java, C#,
> > or .NET implementations such that a sharper cookie should look
> > elsewhere.  I, personally, am far more interested in the likes of Lython
> > or Perl.  Am I off-base about all this?
>
> Well, .NET is an extension of the evil M$, so I would never go there.
> C# is their bastardization of a decent language to surely 'embrace and
> extend.'  I guess I'm more comfortable with java because it's not
> Microsoft, but also, it's not 'owned' by a company who currently holds
> the computer world hostage with their monopoly.
>
> >
> > - Jeff
> >
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