[ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list

Greg runman at speedfactory.net
Mon Dec 29 14:24:52 EST 2003 

True.  Probably why several Linux companies are concentrating more on the
corporate desktop than the individual desktop.  However there are several
niches - just how many I honestly don't know.

I do know that I have several *nix CD's with hundreds of programs overall
that I haven't explored (and not a single Windows CD with unexplored
software).

Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of David
> Corbin
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
>
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 12:34, Greg wrote:
> > ok, we are up to 3-4 things that Linux needs that Windows doesn't have -
> > and that's not including several dozen that I could add ....
> >
> > hmmmm ... wonder why linux is not taking over the desktop ......
> >
>
> But so many of the things that are "missing" aren't needed by the "vast
> majority".
>
>  Fax software. bah!.   I don't need it.  I've got a fax machine.
>
> WYSiWYG HTML editor.  Very few offices need this.
>
> Contact Managment.  Well, this is need by more but many many
> companies operate
> without such today.  And there are certainly web-based solutions.
>
> The real problem is "vertical/internal applications".  As
> companies move these
> to the web, or (perhaps to Java), this becomes a non-issue.
> That's why these
> technologies are so appealing - you break a tie to given platform.
>
> David
>
>
> > Greg
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
> > > Matthew Brown
> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:18 AM
> > > To: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com; 'Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts'
> > > Subject: RE: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> > >
> > >
> > > A good WYSIWYG HTML editor and a more excellent graphics
> editor wouldn't
> > > hurt either.
> > >
> > > I like the text-based editors fine, but WYSIWYG will bring on
> the masses
> > > of web folk.  Along with that, we need something like a
> PhotoShop or PSP
> > > on Linux.  IMHO, the Gimp is just not there, as good as it is.  Maybe
> > > someone should talk to their Adobe contacts on these.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew Brown
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Christopher Fowler
> > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:12 AM
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> > >
> > >
> > > A decent CRM like ACT! or GoldMine needs to be written also.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 08:08, walter Sams wrote:
> > > > Geoffrey has a good reply to the MS marketer
> > > >
> > > > A cattle rancher should not feed the wolves hoping they will leave.
> > > >
> > > > >From my business perspective, all linux needs to take over the
> > > > >desktop
> > > >
> > > > now is a fax program to compete with winfax.  Once someone
> is able to
> > > > write this and make it available for under 400.00 There will be no
> > > > need to buy MS products to run an office.  Then let them show me how
> > > > they will save me money instead of bleeding me dry with licensing,
> > > > upgrades and support.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 09:53, David Corbin wrote:
> > > > > I'm with Geoffrey on this.  MS business policy/strategy is to lock
> > > > > their
> > > > > customers in.  I don't see how telling them what we want
> is going to
> > >
> > > convince
> > >
> > > > > them to change.   All you're doing is telling them WHERE
> they should
> > >
> > > be
> > >
> > > > > locking their customers in.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday 19 December 2003 09:33, Chris Ricker wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Geoffrey wrote:
> > > > > > > I'll let you know.  I'll give you my perspective.  I
> personally
> > > > > > > see Microsoft as a marketing company that tries to write
> > > > > > > software.  You'll not get a lot of pleasant responses from me
> > > > > > > or, I suspect from this group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My take is a bit different than yours, Geoffrey. Let
> the man post
> > > > > > his survey and we can tell him what we'd like from Microsoft.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'd like from MS is true interoperability. Open
> formats, open
> > > > > >
> > > > > > standards, open protocols. Changing this would not hurt
> MS sales,
> > > > > > either. The world already has all the MS-only shops
> it's going to
> > > > > > get. For the rest of us in the real world working in multivendor
> > > > > > environments, dealing with MS proprietary lockin is extremely
> > > > > > expensive and painful, and hurts MS sales in such
> environments. We
> > > > > >
> > > > > > actively look for open solutions just because we have
> to integrate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with everything from Windows to Linux to other Unix to
> mainframes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MS products don't get considered very long with such
> needs because
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they're not suitable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > later,
> > > > > > chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS In case it's not clear, by open I mean standard, documented,
> > > > > > and unencumbered by patents, not necessarily free or
> open source.
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