[ale] k7s5a motherboard

[Geoffrey]

I'm likely going to take John's suggestion and return this board.

I took my box to the shop I picked the board up from and they replaced 
the cpu with another, an 1800 as they did not have another 1700.

While there I demonstrated how the bios would not properly identify an 
additional stick of memory.  Had a 256mb in there, added a 128mb and 
upon boot, the memory test runs right up to 512mb.  So he sticks a stick 
of his own in there, 128mb.  Boot up shows the proper amount of memory, 
but the box locks up as it's running through rc stuff.  No more time to 
futz with this as I needed to get back to work, so...

Got home, powered it up and the bios was reset.  Brand new board now.  I 
figure it might be a fluke, maybe the guy at the shop cleared the bios 
without telling me.  So later today I powered it down, left it off for 
about 30 minutes.  Powered it back up and it's July 2002.

Further, there are discrepencies between the bios and the docs.  For 
example, under CPU PnP Setup there's an option of CPU Speed and the 
example shows 700MHz.  Okay that makes sense.  The actual entry in the 
bios comes up with a value of 100/100MHz ????  You can toggle between:

100/100
100/133
133/133

When set at 133/133, the proper processor is identified on boot.

Temperature with this new cpu is running pretty much the same, but it's 
not locked up yet.  Still, the wierd stuff with the bios is enough to 
make me feel there are other problems here.

Eichler, Paula J. wrote:
> Yea, I have read that the white patch is next to useless, especially with
> Athlons.
> 
> To answer someone's previous question, I think a "dime-sized" amount of AS
> is recommended.  It's not supposed to slop all over the CPU.
> 
> I currently use a K7S5A, and like it for the most part.  I only have a 1ghtz
> processor that I don't overclock, so heat hasn't been a problem ..pj
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hubbs [mailto:hbbs at attbi.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:14 PM
> To: Eichler, Paula J.
> Cc: ale at ale.org
> Subject: RE: [ale] k7s5a motherboard
> 
> Paula - 
> 
> That's not even enough.  I once fixed a client's machine in which
> someone had left the backing paper on the patch, compressing the paper
> between the CPU and the patch.  
> 
> I know from personal experience that AS can get on cache chip leads on
> an Athlon Classic and not mess up anything.  It is said that AS won't
> conduct unless it's compressed.
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 12:25, Eichler, Paula J. wrote:
> 
>>
>>Wow, don't understand this one.  Everything I read was scrape the white
>>square off the heatsink and use arctic silver for a good bond with the
> 
> CPU.
> 
>>Better heatsinks come with AS instead of the white patch.  I guess the
>>thinking is that the average Joe may not know what to do and ruin the CPU
> 
> in
> 
>>2.5 seconds by not using it, so they include it with CPUs ..pj
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Wells [mailto:jb at sourceillustrated.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:13 PM
>>To: hbbs at attbi.com
>>Cc: esoteric at 3times25.net; ale at ale.org
>>Subject: Re: [ale] k7s5a motherboard
>>
>>I've read good reviews regarding Artic Silver, but the guy I spoke with at
>>tcwo.com was adamant that it shouldn't be used.  He said it has a much
>>higher conductivity than standard paste, among other things.
>>
>>John
>>
>>Jeff Hubbs said:
>>
>>>More than once, I've removed the tape and used Arctic Silver thermal
>>>grease in its place.  I feel that the tape sometimes isn't getting
>>>squeezed down enough and making for too much of a gap.  You can also
>>>have a bad problem if there's even just a tiny bit of debris caught in
>>>between.
>>>
>>>- Jeff
>>>
>>>On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 16:00, Geoffrey wrote:
>>>
>>>>Irv Mullins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Monday 21 October 2002 01:01 pm, Geoffrey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Just out of curiosity, my expectation is that if the cpu is running
>>>>>
>>>>45C (~112F), that the heat sink would be pretty warm to the touch,
>>>>but that does not appear to be the case.  Maybe not, since 112F
>>>>isn't but a few degrees above body temperature.  Maybe I've got my
>>>>upper limit wrong?? Input??
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Could it be that there is not good thermal bonding between the chip
>>>>
>>>>and  the heatsink?
>>>>
>>>>Possibly.  This processor came with a heatsink and fan.  The processor
>>>> is different then any I've seen in a while.  The sink only touches an
>>>> area about 1 cm square on top of the actual chip.  The chip has four
>>>>little rubber feet at the corners that the sink rests on.  There was
>>>>thermal substance on the sink which is exposed when you remove some
>>>>tape  backing.  I guess I could pick up some new thermal goo and reset
>>>>the sink.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Irv
>>>>>
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