[ale] Wireless Design Suggestions

Tue Dec 31 10:59:53 EST 2002

What's the max length of CAT5 running 100M without loss?

(yes there's a finished ceiling and she want's minimal visual impact)

Thus spake Dow Hurst (dhurst at kennesaw.edu):

> From the server room can you go up into the attic, over to a inside 
> wall that you could drop all the way down to the basement?  I have a 
> vertical enclosed area in my house where the furnace exhaust pipe is 
> placed that is ideal for such a job.  You can make such long runs with 
> ethernet that you could go up thru the attic, out an attic vent, down to 
> the gutter, across and in the gutter to a downspout, out the downspout, 
> over to the dryer vent, thru the wall, underneath the carpet, and 
> finally into the server room.  Here is a big ;-)  on that!
> Dow
> 
> PS.  Truly a crackpot at heart! :-)
> 
> Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> >This is exactly why I hit the list, I respect probably 99% of the
> >opionins on this list as intelligent and non-crackpot.  I of corse
> >belong in the 1% most would argue...
> >
> >I'll try and describe it best I can as I'm not living there and can't
> >upload pics or a diagram.  Description is as if standing in the front
> >door looking at the back wall.
> >
> >2story house.
> > 1st floor is layed out with 4 rooms with a hallway going down the
> >middle of the left and right halves.  Garage is attached on the side to
> >the right, out of the scenario.  Family room where I want the one desk
> >with the 3 computers is in the far left corner and the desk will go on
> >the outside,backside wall.
> >
> > 2nd floor is pretty much identicle except the 2 farthest rooms are
> >merged into one master bedroom/bathroom.  The "server room" will be in
> >the closest room on the left.
> >
> > As a result I have to go from top front left of the house to bottom
> >left back of the house.  I have to check out the actual "filler" in the
> >walls and how thick the floors if I can drop from the 2nd floor to the
> >first, through the floor into the crawlspace below, then across to the
> >wall where I want to put the desk and back up but that's putting a lot of
> >holes in floors and probably walls to get to the floors between the
> >walls to drop down.
> >
> > No she won't let me run a cable out the window and back in the house
> >downstairs.
> >
> >
> >Robert
> > 
> >
> >Thus spake Geoffrey (esoteric at 3times25.net):
> >
> > 
> >
> >>Excellent point.  I've done some esoteric things to get cat5 from my 
> >>basement to my 2nd floor.  It took probably twice as much cable, but I'm 
> >>still married. :)
> >>
> >>Robert, what say you share the site layout and see if we can come up 
> >>with a wired solution that's acceptable?  After all, more geeks then you 
> >>can shake a stick (of memory) at on this list, someone might see 
> >>something you didn't consider...
> >>
> >>
> >>James P. Kinney III wrote:
> >>   
> >>
> >>>Wireless networking absolutely SUCKS!!!
> >>>
> >>>Slow. Expensive. Slow. SLow. SLOw. SLOW!
> >>>
> >>>Unless you drop the $$$$$ for 802.11a which still runs a single
> >>>connection only at half the speed of a crappy wired connection. 
> >>>
> >>>Dropping a cat5e line between floors is not _that_ difficult. It's also
> >>>cheap. For the cost of a decent AP, you can wire the entire house with
> >>>cat5e. 8 port 100BaseT switches can be had for $40.
> >>>
> >>>Besides, how much microwave radiation does your spouse want bouncing
> >>>through her? Or you for that matter? Be realistic. How long can the
> >>>laptop run not plugged into the wall?  Do you really want to reduce the
> >>>network speed in your house to that of a dialup line? Remember, unless
> >>>you get the latest stuff (not all supported in Linux), wireless is not a
> >>>full duplex transmission. And don't use the cordless phone while you are
> >>>downloading.
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 13:38, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     
> >>>
> >>>>Ok, looks like we're finally getting a house next month.  At any rate,
> >>>>it's a 2 story and my server room will be upstairs but I'll need to hook
> >>>>up 3 machines downstairs.  I've got the ports on my 2 switches to run a
> >>>>cable but my wife has pretty much infomred me I'll be sleeping on the
> >>>>garage floor if I do it.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm thinking of going to Costco and getting their netger wireless kit
> >>>>for $150 which has an access point and a card.  I can then put the
> >>>>single card into a dedicated server in the server room and the access
> >>>>point in my living room.  That way the 3 machines downstairs can use
> >>>>their switch to uplink to the AP.  2 of the machines are dual boot so I
> >>>>don't want to use them as a router.  The 3rd is a laptop which will be
> >>>>traveling.
> >>>>
> >>>>The server upstairs will be running 192.168.1/24 off the wireless card
> >>>>and be using mac filtering for starters and then going from there as I
> >>>>learn how to tighten it down more.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm not worried about anyone stealing BW from me as it'll be very easy
> >>>>to see them due to geography.  As per neighbors, I've got my machines
> >>>>locked up pretty tight, I think they may be able to print to my printer
> >>>>is all for now.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thoughts, theories, suggestions, etc?
> >>>>
> >>>>Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>:wq!
> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>Robert L. Harris                     | PGP Key ID: FC96D405
> >>>>                            
> >>>>DISCLAIMER:
> >>>>   These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.
> >>>>FYI:
> >>>>perl -e 'print 
> >>>>$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
> >>>>       
> >>>>
> >>-- 
> >>Until later: Geoffrey		esoteric at 3times25.net
> >>
> >>The latest, most widespread virus?  Microsoft end user agreement.
> >>Think about it...
> >>
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> >
> >
> >:wq!
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Robert L. Harris                     | PGP Key ID: FC96D405
> >                              
> >DISCLAIMER:
> >     These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.
> >FYI:
> >perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
> >
> > 
> >
> 
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Robert L. Harris                     | PGP Key ID: FC96D405

DISCLAIMER:
      These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.
FYI:
 perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'

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