[ale] OT: H1B

[Matty]

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 14:23, George Johnson wrote:
> I agree that the republicans do tend to want to remove a little of our
> freedoms but the dems are the one with the HUGE Bill of Rights carving
> knife.  If they had their way the first 2 amendments are as good as
> gone.  

I need my right to bear arms!! Nothing like owning a gun collection :)


With respect to the second one, the can tear it away from "my
> cold dead fingers"!!
>  
> gj
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org] On Behalf Of Eichler,
> Paula J.
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:47 AM
> To: 'ale at ale.org'
> Subject: RE: [ale] OT: H1B
>  
> OK, you've got me there.  Not all Americans are like that.
>  
> As for Rep vs. Dem, I usually try to go Libertarian where possible.
> Democrat if I have to.  Republicans just don't represent me in any way.
> Look at how they've carved up the Bill of Rights lately.  Talk about
> losing our way of life !!!  The only piece we have left is the second
> amendment, which they give us because it doesn't mean anything for them
> to give it.  Libertarians wouldn't have done this to 
>  
> To answer your question, our ideals are much more important than any
> temporary threat ..pj
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hogg, Russell E [mailto:ctcrreho at opm.gov] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:22 AM
> To: 'ale at ale.org'
> Subject: RE: [ale] OT: H1B
>  
>  
> " Americans kill me sometimes " 
> Hey now, don't judge us all like that.  There are what maybe several
> hundred people on this list, only a few have stepped off the deep end
> with their blame of immigrants for their problems.  For what it's worth
> most of them are probably out of a high paying job.  Well I've been
> there before so it's ok with me if they vent a little.  
> My guess is that their views would be much more moderate and based on
> logic and understanding if they weren't worried about where the next
> mortgage payment is coming from.
> A lot of the posters, and the probably the vast majority of the folks on
> the list, have very reasonable viewpoints.  
> As for voting Republican/Conservative, that's the only real choice you
> have.  If we flit away our economic advantage then our way of life will
> go with it.  For what it's worth Liberal economic policy (or maybe even
> understanding) has been trounced on this list several times lately.  
> (Grant Robertson going 1 against 3 or 4 if memory serves) 
> My guess is that most of the people on the list who vote liberal do so
> because they believe in the social policies of the Democratic Party.  I
> certainly hope this is the case, as opposed to a belief that they are a
> victim of some sort of conservative conspiracy, as a couple of posters
> here have said.  (Rich people don't pay taxes is the quote that comes to
> mind.)
> I think I can safely say that one of the tenements of success is not
> "think of your self as a victim". 
> In a general sense I tend to agree with conservative social ideals as
> well.  The difference is that I don't have specific facts that support
> my beliefs like I do with economics.  
> On the next issue raised: how far are we willing to go?  Sure following
> every immigrant from a terrorist harboring country sounds like a good
> idea.  But how far do you take it?  Don't you think they'll just a find
> a way to start coming as French Citizens if we stop them from coming
> from Arabic countries. (those darn French!) And hey all this shit costs
> money too.  Money that isn't feeding the hungry or educating the poor.  
> The truth is that being free carries with it a whole lot of risk.  A
> scary amount of risk.  And we have to decide how free or un-free we are
> willing to be.  
> Remember, racial profiling works, but it's prejudice in action. 
> Whats worth more?  Our security or our ideals?  
> Think of the big picture before you answer.  We have a responsibility to
> the generations that follow us. 
> Ok somebody post that Ben Franklin quote now. 
> My last post garnered me no flames, I trust this one will do better. 
> Russ 
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