[ale] OT: H1B

[Andrew Newton]

I've generally kept out of this too, but I'm thankful for this voice of 
moderation.

I agree that the Hotel Patel remark was wrong.  I know many Indians, 
some in the tech sector and some in other jobs.  I can honestly say that 
they are hard-working individuals, usually honest and upstanding, and on 
average very decent people.

I can also sympathize with American citizens with the same good virtues 
who have lost their jobs.  Yeah, it sucks!  But turning xenophobic isn't 
the answer.

What we all want is a level playing field.  No special tax breaks.  An 
honest wage for an honest days work.  And job security for a job well 
done.  Surprizingly, it isn't just American's who want that.  Everybody 
does.

And while I generally don't appreciate socialist or leftist jabs at the 
rich, I think we can safely say that many, many of the top managers of 
our American corporations have let us down.  They have thought about the 
short-term and neglected both the long-term of their own businesses and 
  our communities.

-andy

ahuitzot at mindspring.com wrote:
> I usually do not reply to this kind of krap, but I will make an exception this
> time.  I do think that the person who made the "hotel patel" comment was a bit
> extreme, and I would possibly take that as a racist comment. 
> 
> But on the subject, I will state, and this is from my experience and factual
> evidence, I DID NOT LOOSE MY JOB DUE TO H1B VISAS.  I lost it because the CEO
> of the company decided to OUTSOURCE the company's software development to
> another country.  EVEN THE H1B'S where I worked LOST THEIR JOB.  THE H1B is
> not the problem.  Its the corprate mentality to get the job done as cheap as
> it can be, reguardless of the human factor that is killing the US economy and
> our jobs.  The H1B's may be beneficial in other areas, I am sure they are not
> just extending them because of the software industry (almost nonexistant one
> at that), I am sure there are other industries in the US in dire need of
> qualified workers, and since the colleges and technical schools have all been
> pushing IT, there very well could be a shortage of qualified people in other
> areas.  Of course I could also be talking completely out my ass on that one.
> 
> 
> So how many people on this list actually lost their job due to an H1B?  Can
> you prove thats why?
> 
> Oh, and BTW, people with H1B's are people too, maybe if you got to know one
> and became friends with one (like I did at my previous job) you may actually
> decide to treat them like people and not outcasts.  Stop reacting from fear
> and ignorance (of loosing your job or whatever) and instead act with
> intelligence and kindness.


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